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Is the Novus Ordo Mass already a mostly Protestant Mass?

A Protestant Mass?  Excuse me?  Was that really somebody's plan from the beginning?

Vic Biorseth, Saturday, July 01, 2017
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In the recently published Identifying the Enemy webpage, I referred to the existing Vatican project to develop a Liturgy for a Catholic Mass at which Protestants could fully participate.  No, that's not a typo or a mistake.  We've mentioned it before, but I don't know what the current status of the project is.  

If you're like me, the very idea seems preposterous.  But then so does most everything else going on these days.  Well, after publishing Identifying the Enemy, I got an email from a fellow Church Militant RESISTANCE! group member revealing the fact that the original Novus Ordo Mass of Paul VI was actually developed with the theological and liturgical collaboration of Protestants.  

Surprise.  

Pope Paul VI with the six Protestant ministers who collaborated in making up the New Mass!

This is new to me, but apparently it is true.  See the Critical Study of the New Mass by Cardinal's Alfredo Ottaviani and Antonio Bacci, which was sent by them to Pope Paul VI.  

Let me quote from the email:

When you place the prayers and ceremonies of the traditional Latin Mass side by side with those of the New Mass, you can easily see to what degree the Church's traditional doctrine has been "edited out." And the "editing" always seems to have been done on those parts of the Mass expressing some Catholic doctrine which Protestants find "offensive." Here are some examples: 

  1. Common Penitential Rite: The traditional Mass begins with the priest reciting personal prayers of reparation to God called "The Prayers at the Foot of the Altar." The New Mass begins instead with a "Penitential Rite" which the priest and people recite together. Who were the first to introduce a common penitential rite? The 16th century Protestants, who wanted to promote their teaching that the priest is no different from the layman.
  2. The Offertory: The Offertory prayers of the traditional Mass clearly express a number of Catholic teachings, as that the Mass is offered to God to satisfy for sin and that the saints are to be honored. The Protestants rejected these teachings and so abolished the Offertory prayers. "That abomination called the Offertory," said Luther, "and from this point almost everything stinks of oblation!" In the New Mass as well, the Offertory is gone – it has been replaced with a ceremony called "The Preparation of the Gifts." The prayers "offensive" to Protestants have also been removed. In their place is the prayer "Blessed are you, Lord God of all creation," based on a Jewish grace before meals.
  3. The "Eucharistic Prayer": The traditional Mass has only one "Eucharistic Prayer," the ancient Roman Canon. The Canon was always a favorite target of Lutheran and other Protestant attacks. Instead of just one Canon, the New Mass now has a number of "Eucharistic Prayers," only one of which we will mention here. Eucharistic Prayer No. 1 is an "edited" version of the Roman Canon. The lists of Catholic saints, so despised by Protestants, are now optional, and hence rarely used. The translators did some further "editing." Among other things, the idea that Christ the Victim is offered at Mass (a notion Luther condemned) has disappeared. All the Eucharistic Prayers now incorporate some typical Protestant practice. They are recited in a loud voice instead of silently, and they have an "Institution Narrative," instead of a Consecration. (According to Protestant beliefs, their ministers do not consecrate the Eucharist like Catholic priests do; they just narrate the story of the Last Supper.) Even Christ’s own words in the Consecration were altered: ". . . Which shall be shed for you and for many, unto the remission of sins" was changed to ". . . It will be shed for you and for all men so that sins may be forgiven." (Rome acknowledged this "mistranslation" recently.) The various signs of respect toward Our Lord present in the Blessed Sacrament (genuflections, signs of the cross, bells, incense, etc.) have been reduced, made optional, or eliminated.
  4. Communion in the Hand: The 16th century Protestant Martin Bucer condemned the Church's practice of placing the Host on the tongue of the communicant as something introduced out of "a double superstition: first, the false honor they wish to show to this sacrament, and secondly, the wicked arrogance of priests claiming greater holiness than that of the people of Christ, by virtue of the oil of consecration." The practice in Protestant churches of "communion in the hand" is thus based upon their rejection of Christ's Real Presence and the priesthood. At the New Mass, just as at a Protestant service, there is Communion in the hand. But the men who created the New Mass went even further, for a layman may not only receive Communion in the hand – he is also permitted to distribute it, even on a moment's notice. Let us recall St. Thomas Aquinas' (1225-1274)* words on this subject: "The body of Christ must not be touched by anyone, other than a consecrated priest. No other person has the right to touch it, except in case of extreme necessity" (III, 82 a.3). (*St. Thomas Aquinas was given the title "Angelic Doctor". His canonization decree states, "His doctrine was none other than miraculous. He has enlightened the Church more than all other Doctors")
  5. Veneration of the Saints: The prayers of the traditional Mass frequently invoke the saints by name and beg their intercession. The Church's veneration of the saints in her worship was another practice which Protestants dismissed as "superstition." The New Order of the Mass dropped most invocations of the saints by name, or made them optional. In the new Missal, moreover, the weekday prayers for saints' feast days (most of which are also optional) have been rewritten for the benefit of Protestants – allusions to miracles, the defense of the Catholic Faith, or to the Catholic Church as the one, true Church have disappeared.
  6. False Translations: Lastly, there is the matter of the false official English translations of the New Mass. A whole book could be written on the errors and distortions they contain. Here we will mention briefly only the official translations of the prayers for the 34 "Sundays in Ordinary Time." The following are some of the ideas which the English translation suppresses: God's wrath, our unworthiness, error, sins which "burden our consciences," God's majesty, obedience to His commandments, supplication, humility, eternity, heaven – many more could be listed. Perhaps the most serious omission is the word "grace." It appears 11 times in the Latin original. It does not appear even once in the official English "translation"! 

I wrote about the Bugnini scandal in the Liturgy page, but this is new.  

I don't know what to say about all this.  It is all new to me.  But I am very, very interested in what you have to say about it.  I hope some priests or deacons out there will address it, one way or the other.  Or real theologians and liturgists, who are not also Modernists.  

Has the whole Church been duped and fooled in its own Divine Liturgy?  



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Date:  Sat Jul 01 20:42:08 2017
From:  Mike Gent
Email:   mikeg751@yahoo.com
Location:  Saratoga Springs/N.Y./USA
Comment: 

The answer to your last question is: Church hierarchy=dupers, Church faithful=dupees. But some of us have figured out the heretical scams.


Date:  Sun Jul 02 2017
From:  Vic Biorseth
Comment:  

Mike:

Looking back through the fog of memory, I think I knew Protestants were involved, but I never questioned why. It was. in my mind, like how non-Catholic scientists have always been involved in Vatican scientific research. As long as the quest was for some material truth, we shouldn't worry so much about what the inquisitor believes about ultimate truth.

But Liturgy is part of theological science, not material science. What could any Protestant offer that would be good for Catholic Liturgy?  

Now I'm kicking myself for never asking that very simple question.  

Regards,

Vic


Date:  Sun July 02 2017
From:  Vic Biorseth
Comment:  

Brandon:

Your comment is not published here; clean it up a little and try again. I'm  not going to even try to edit out your vulgarities and keep your original meaning intact. 

Essentially, I never said, in Identifying the Enemy, that Protestants are not our Political allies.  Catholics need to join with Protestants and Jews to support Trump and the return of America to Constitutional Law.  

But anyone who does not recognize the theological enemy that Protestantism is to Catholicism is simply lacking in education in Church, World and American history. The fact that we should ally with someone in American and world politics does not mean that we should also welcome them to Catholic Eucharist.  

They are our allies in the outside world.  But this Church is the Catholic world.  

Exclusively

Regards,

Vic


Date:  Sun Jul 02 11:23:51 2017
From:  Annemarie
Email:   
Location:  
Comment: 

Hi Vic!

You forgot to add that crazy hand gesturing!  Totally protestant!  Also, compare Genesis 3:15 in the "Catholic Bible" and the King James and then read it in Douay Rheims.  

I would love to know what Jimmy Akin (Catholic Answers) would say to this.  He claims that Vatican II didn't do anything to the Mass and it hasn't been changed.  Patrick Madrid, on the other hand, claims that the Catholic Church is a living, breathing and ever-changing, evolving entity...he attends TLM.

When I travel, I end up sometimes having to go to a NO Mass if a TLM isn't available, it's hard.  Just recently, my daughter took the body of Jesus in her hand because she thought the priest was a female deacon.  I just about died when she told me.  She's 11 and had a hard time shaking hands with everyone and freaked that there was not only a guitar on "stage" (I can't even call it an altar with the "band" up there), but there was also a tambourine...

Sad, sad, sad.


Date:  Sun Jul 02 2017
From:  Vic Biorseth
Comment:  

Annemarie:

I would guess that Jimmy Akin was right, in that Vatican II did not come up with the actual new Mass; Pope Paul VI did that, after Vatican II. However, if you look at Bugnini scandals in the Liturgy page, radical changes were being proposed to the Liturgy leading up to, during and following Vatican II. Archbishop Annibale Bugnini heavily influenced and may indeed have practically written the Constitution On The Liturgy, which is a Vatican II document.  

Jimmy Akin might be hard put to deny that the influence of the Liturgical developments going on during Vatican II had any affect on the final design of the Novus Ordo Mass.  

The problem is that the Revealed Truth in the Depositum Fide does not change, and the Liturgy is supposed to reflect that full Truth to us, and bring us into it.  However, Liturgy itself is not part of that protected Depositum Fide. Popes do have authority over Liturgy, and they can change it, and they have changed it.  

I've wrestled with this particular question many times in many other webpages in this site, and I don't have a good answer to the problem. Pope Paul VI was within his rights as Pope to do what he did.  

It's pointless to now ask if he should have done it. It's done.  

Regards,

Vic


Date:  Sun Jul 02 12:36:06 2017
From:  Joan
Email:   Pernicanos@hotmail.com
Location:  San Dieg / CA / USA
Comment: 

You are 100% right in my book for what it's worth.  The problem is that most Catholics don't care.  They have become spiritually slothful.  I do have a question - who is Martin Bucer?


Date:  Sun Jul 02 2017
From:  Vic Biorseth
Comment:  

Joan:

According to Wikipedia, Martin Bucer was originally a Catholic Priest, like all the other Reformers; this one, Bucer, was a Dominican.  In 1518 he had his vows annulled and began working for the "Reformations" and got himself excommunicated.  He influenced the Lutheran, Calvinist and Anglican Reformations.  

Regards,

Vic


Date:  Mon Jul 03 22:58:17 2017
From:  Mike Gent
Email:   mikeg751@yahoo.com
Location:  Saratoga Springs/NY/USA
Comment: 

Vic

Just got back from a week in Ocean City,MD and this is what I found when looking for a Mass to attend. 

              "Joint Lutheran-Catholic Commemoration of the Reformation

Friday, June 2 at 7:30 pm at St. Luke: Join Bishop Malooly and Lutheran Bishop Gohl for this ecumenical evening prayer service featuring Taize music. WE will be praying the same prayers Pope Francis prayed with Lutheran World Federation in Lund, Sweden this past October." Catholics commemorating the Reformation with Protestants, you know, just like Pope Francis.


Date:  Tue Jul 04 2017
From:  Vic Biorseth
Comment:  

Mike:

I believe it's just like Joan, above, said; it's spiritual slothfulness. The more Catholics first tolerate, then accommodate, and then cooperate and join with old, "established" heresy, which becomes a cultural heresy, the more spiritually slothful they become, or are made to be. Protestant falsehood becomes fused with the protected body of Catholic Truth in their minds, and they drift from the fullness of Catholic faith.  

But it's only in their minds. Revealed Catholic Truth is objective, and real, and does not change.  

No matter how popular or prevalent or dominant any heresy becomes, it remains heresy. Numbers don't change reality.  

Regards,

Vic


Date:  Mon Jul 31 09:09:57 2017
From:  linda
Email:   lindabillh@Hotmail.com
Location:  Hopkinsville, Kentucky usa
Comment: 

If there is no before Vat. 2 changes in Mass for me to attend, which there is not, I am under no moral obligation to attend the new faith mass of new church.


Date:  Mon Jul 31 2017
From:  Vic Biorseth
Comment:  

Linda:

I fully sympathize with your position; however, you are indeed under a moral obligation to attend Mass on Sunday, in accordance with the Precepts of the Church. It's a mortal sin to miss Mass; you need to attend, and to periodically confess your sins, for the sake of your own soul and for the sake of others. Your example to others is important. 

Go through the links in the Latin Mass page to find one somewhere within range. If there are none, I'm sorry, but you will just have to "Parish Shop" to find the most consistently proper Novus Ordo Mass that you can get to on Sundays. 

I know how you feel, believe me. But this is not a new Church; it is the old one, with some new sinners in it. It is still the Church Christ founded, no matter how it is betrayed from within. There is only one true Church, and this is it, warts and all. 

Sooner or later it will sort itself back out. Pray for it

Regards,

Vic


Date:  Tue Aug 08 19:53:39 2017
From:  Seppe
Email:   eccoseppe@gmail.com
Location:  Bellevue, Ohio, USA
Comment: 

Unfortunately, it seems to be true... even by the fruits we see confirmation of it..

Here is more background and source material:

https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/24-what-about-those-six-protestants-and-the-new-mass


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