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Jerry Chandler, Saturday, February 19, 2022
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Date: Sun Feb 20 2022
From: Vic Biorseth
I took the liberty of numbering your paragraphs to make it easier to respond to them; I hope that's all right with you.
See the Ten Commandments laid out in this website. Your statement that your second Commandment isn't in the Catholic Catechism is simply not true. Here is a direct quote from the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
It was heretical Protestantism, not Catholicism, that changed the numbering. Note that the "graven image" prohibition is in there; it was not deleted. The whole purpose of Jesus' original prohibition was that no man had seen the face of God; but with the incarnation of Jesus - the same God Who created existence out of nothing and Who gave the Commandments to Moses - His face was seen by man. Jesus - God - changed that prohibition, just as he changed the Jewish dietary laws. He and only He could do that, because He and only He is God. Thus, we had Veronica's Veil, and John's lost to antiquity first icon of Jesus painted on the Isle of Patmos.
Long before the first Protestant heresy, Both Eastern and Western Catholics (Greek and Latin) were celebrating the unique nature of Mary the Mother of God, and comparing her to the first Tabernacle of God, since she carried God for nine months and gave birth to him. The whole idea of the Immaculate Conception was not new in 1854, it was just declared to put an end to then current arguments about it. The Church proclaimed and proclaims that Mary was conceived in the usual way, but without stain of even original sin, since she was the God Bearer. Nothing unclean touches God.
As I understand it, Mary's title "Mediatrix Of All Graces" has never been declared a canonical certainty, but only an apparition "supernatural in character and worthy of pius belief" at this point in time. The title holds Mary to be the main mediatrix between man and Jesus, her Son, Who is God, and Who remains the sole mediator to Himself. In His incarnate form, He was, while still being God, the human son of Mary. In our limited ability to understand the nature of God, it is reasonable for humans to pray to Mary asking her to intercede for them because she has the ear of her Son.
As for confessing your sins and receiving absolution, see The Sacrament Of Penance, long abandoned by the Protestant heresy. If Jesus Who Is God said it, that's good enough for me.
See our old treatment of Papal and Church Infallibility and Infallibility Revisited. And see the discussion (comments) after the No Salvation Outside The Church page, in which the word Petra, when used as a human name is the masculine form, and that is what our Lord meant by renaming Simon Peter. The whole scripture sentence you misinterpret makes no sense whatsoever after you separate the word Rock from the word Peter.
Why do you suppose our Lord gave Peter the keys to the kingdom?
Jerry, I'm afraid that your super-simplistic Protestantism is showing. You can't just say "I believe in Jesus", and, Poof, you're saved. You can wish it were that simple, but that just ain't gonna get you there. See the Are You Saved? page, among many others. And we have James, which Fr. Martin Luther wanted to burn, because of chapter 2 verse 24:
Actually, man is saved neither by works alone nor by faith alone, but by unmerited grace that is cooperated with by works and faith. But, of course, that ain't all.
There really were what Catholics call "Big T Traditions" as opposed to "Small t traditions" of man. There were many, many Big T Traditions handed on by Jesus and by His Apostles to their successors. Jesus did and said many, many things not written down; so many that all the books in the world could not contain them (See the War On Tradition page.)
I know how you Protestants hate tradition, but nearly everything Jesus taught was tradition, including even how to pray.
Protestantism is way off track and round the bend on this one. Even the heretic Fr. Martin Luther argued fiercely with Zwingli and nearly came to blows over it, drawing a circle on a dinner napkin to represent the Consecrated Host, and then hammering on it while shouting Christ's words "This Is My Body!" and that that was precisely what Christ meant.
See the Eucharist page, Jerry, where we go over the real Eucharistic discourse in detail, before you look at the Eucharist references in the Synoptics and Acts. You really need to read and internalize John 6, from about verse 26 on. Your salvation depends upon it. Jesus Himself said it. Some 13 times He referred to Himself as food and drink, for you; and he even tied it to your salvation.
(The Bible was written (by the Church) for you.)
You're not supposed or expected to understand it. You are supposed and expected to recognize Who said it, and accept it, on faith in the One Who spoke it into being.
As it was then, so it is today. The Church survived all that, even in Peter and Paul's day, as the writings of 2 Peter, 1 John, 2 John Hebrews 13 and many more New Testament books prove. That's what the Church was writing and warning about.
It wasn't the Church that went astray, but the authors of the false gospels that went astray.
Members of the Church who sin do not represent the Church, but themselves in their sinning. Note well that all heretics in all of history were ordained clerics. Including Luther, Calvin, Zwingli; all of them were Catholic priests, who broke their vows of chastity, poverty and obedience, besides preaching outright heresies.
What's the difference between then and now? The more things change the more they are the same. The Church still stands.
Sole Autority of Scripture is a heresy, Jerry. So is Faith Alone. So are all the followers of the ravenous wolves in sheep's clothing any less damned than all the sodomite clerics being uncovered inside the Church while still pretending to be holy?
They are not "The Church", Jerry. The Church is still holy.
There is one and only one Bible that has ever been canonized by the Roman Catholic Church, and that Bible is the 73 book Vulgate, written in Latin. The name Vulgate indicates that it was written in Latin, which was the "vulgar" language of the day, meaning that is was the most commonly spoken language in world-wide usage at the time. It was completed as the world's first one-book old and new Testament combined, completed around 405 AD by St. Jerome in the Bethlehem cave where Christ was born.
There is one and only one literal linguistic translation of the Vulgate into English, and that totally literal translation is the Douay Rheims.
Every other Bible version on earth, including every Catholic version, is a lot less of an accurate translation and more of an interpretation. Meanings of verses changed, perhaps slightly, but still, changed.
Some, including the King James version, changed quite radically.
But what is worse than all the translations out there is the popular idea of the wild "every man for himself" interpretive authority. If everyone can interpret his own Bible for himself, then right there we see the real reason for the 40,000 plus Protestant denominations since the fracturing of Christianity, including all the many, many so-called "non-denominational" denominations.
Come up with a unique interpretation, start a new denomination.
(Note: if it follows any of Luther's original heresies such as Sola Scriptura or Sola Fide, then it is Protestant at its roots, even if it denies being Protestant.)
Jesus Himself - God - is the Divine Author and the sole interpreter of His Scripture. And Jesus Himself - God - always identifies Himself with His Holy Church.
Date: Mon Feb 21 13:54:22 2022
I have to admit, from the perspective of someone who belongs to a Greek-Catholic Church (Byzantine Rites, but with full Communion with the worldwide Catholic Church), I cannot understand how Protestants could ever be so stupid as to get duped by a few men who obviously promulgated their heresies in order to earn various political favors for themselves. It is obvious that no part of Protestantism is supported by any scrap of Biblical evidence. There are no great theological hurdles in Protestantism - it's about as easy to refute and has as much in common with proper Christianity as Gnosticism. Or Islam. They may profess belief in Christ, but without full obedience to the Tradition that the Apostles passed down to us all, that declaration of belief is both trivial and meaningless. And, for the deniers of papal supremacy, I can give a history lesson - if a church does not obey the Pope, it WILL BE MADE to obey someone else. Period. We saw it with state-controlled Byzantine Orthodox churches (the Russian Orthodox Church is a proud inheritor of that unfortunate tradition - the Russian Orthodox Church has long since been used by Russian despots for political ends) and all the Protestant denominations controlled by various noblemen and states of medieval Europe and beyond. And the sheer hubristic gall of Protestants - they profess that they actually know better what the Bible says rather than the Church that has safeguarded the Tradition and the Scripture longer than most European ethnicities have ever existed - damns them most of all. Protestantism, far more so than Islam, is responsible for the rise of such evils as modern secularism, various heresies and even Marxism by fracturing the unity of the Church.
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Enter ye in at the narrow gate: for wide is the gate, and
broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there are who go in
thereat. How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way that leadeth to life:
and few there are that find it! Beware of false prophets, who come to you in
the clothing of sheep, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Jesus Christ; Matt 7:13-15
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