Vic Biorseth, Thursday, September 15, 2011
(This article, Refuting Mohammed, is another right-column gathering of material, this time refuting Mohammedan theory. Look to the article links in the right column on this page for the details.)
Five years ago, on the anniversary of 9/11/2001, I wrote a fifth anniversary memoriam to honor those innocent, murdered victims, in New York, Washington DC and Pennsylvania, and all those heroic, self-sacrificial first responders. This year, on the tenth anniversary, I couldn’t do it. I just couldn’t do it. Maybe I’m getting too emotional in my old age or something. I just barely got through my prayers that day; I still don’t know how.
I could not dwell on it; I could not even think of it; it has just become too horrific over time. It was too terrible of an event and too abominable of a deed to even think about. All those people who didn’t do anything to anyone; all they did was get on a plane to go somewhere, or go to work, or drop their kids off at day-care. All those people jumping off of buildings. All those innocents crushed, and burned and buried. All those Moslems, all round the world, celebrating. Just as happened after the events of 9/11/2001, after a short time, my mourning has again turned into a slow burning inner rage of the sort that can only be tempered by continual prayer that the Lord might confirm my soul in self control.
Now, we have Marxism-motivated Democrats in high office, and we have thoroughly Marxist members of the SLIMC1 editorializing and testifying about how we asked for it, and the victims deserved it, and how “fake heroes” like Bush and Giuliani “raced to cash in on the horror.”
Providing further proof that the Marxists have joined Islam in the drive to destroy civilization as we know it and return the world to barbarism, as I said in The Last Barbarians. It is clear from their own words that both Marxists and Moslems, whether American or not, despise America as founded, and seek to bring her down. That’s what Obamunism means whenever it talks about a “fundamental” transformation of America.
Both Marxism and Islam are hate-based ideologies, opposite of the ideologies of all the rest of us, and of most of the world.
And yes, I call Islam an ideology rather than a religion. It is a false religion; a sham, just like Marxism. The difference is that Marx intended to fool the masses, with a diabolically-clever description of Communist Utopia to recruit his useful idiot followers, with whom he hoped to conquer the world. Mohammed wasn’t that smart. His “religion” just kind of grew out of his simple-minded movement toward self-advancement.
Mohammed had a dream, or a hallucination, upon which everything else in Islam slowly built. He had no visitation by any angel; or if he did, then it was from the wrong kind of angel. At first, he spoke of it only to his wife, who made a big deal out of it and over time convinced him either of the truth of him being chosen for prophesy, or of the wisdom of pretending to be chosen for prophesy. Either way, the simple original dream became more embellished, elaborate and complex over time. His wife convinced him to “go public” with it.
Here’s a brief history of how all this nonsense happened, quoted from the Liberty Versus Marxism and Islam page on this site:
Islam has never changed it’s commitment to continue the march to Ummah. In WWII Islam aligned with the Nazi-Fascist branch of Marxism because of its treatment of the Jews. Over time, Moslems have become Machiavellian in nature. In dar al-harb, where we infidels live, Moslems are the most peaceful, wonderful, loving examples of people to be found in the Islamic faith. Until they gain a little more population and a little more power. The Islamic attitude changes, radically and brutally, when and where Islam is in control.
The final goal of Islam is the same as the final goal of Marxism: Borderless, nation-less, one world global government, which is to say, a world dictatorship.
The history of Islam is a history of war and of conquest; the ideology/religion of Islam is one of brutal domination, subjugation, forced submission, misogyny, abuse, torture and murder.
Ignorance (of Islam) is Bliss. The untold millions of truthfully peaceful Moslems who want to live at peace with everyone are largely ignorant of their own faith. Those peaceful Moslems who can read have not yet properly read the Koran. Those peaceful Moslems who are illiterate have not yet been properly instructed in the Islamic faith. That is why they are still relatively civilized people. The brutal, violent, blood-thirsty nature of Islam is in the Koran, and it is preached in the Mosques.
The let’s be nice to the Christians and the Jews verses were written in the early years at Mecca. The Let’s be brutal to the Christians and Jews verses were written later at Medina, and as later verses, they abrogated the previous peaceful verses, and thus the violent verses are the ones that stand in Islamic law. And that’s the way it is, to this day.
I have elsewhere in this website stated that all Moslems are s, just as all Marxists are MEJTML14 s. There might be an exception made for the ignorant Moslem, who is largely ignorant of the details of his own faith. But that innocence-through-ignorance is only a temporary innocence, because sooner or later he is likely to encounter the correct interpretation of the Koran, and he will then be confronted with a terrible, life-threatening decision.
By Islamic law, no Moslem may ever convert to any other religion; the punishment for any such conversion is death. By Islamic law, no Moslem can even criticize Mohammed, or any of the words in the Koran, because that would be blasphemy, again, punishable by death.
So what is the previously ignorant and peace loving Moslem to do once he actually gets into his religion and learns of the brutal nature of Islam toward the entire non-Moslem world?
Glenn Beck recently reported having spoken off the record with Moslems living in Israel, who could only be honest if they were not quoted, not named, and not on-camera. They all preferred to live in Israel under Israeli law, where they were free, and where they could vote and they had a political voice, than in any Islamic state, including Palestine. These people were Palestinians. But they feared for their lives, and so they could not speak the truth on camera or, if in any way they might be identified. They prefer living under Jewish law than under Islamic law. But they cannot say so too loudly, because they and their families would be summarily executed by other Moslems.
What does that tell you about the peaceful nature of Islam?
Islam Vs. the US Constitution and Civil Law. No Moslem who is true to his faith can accept the rights established in our Bill of Rights. There can be no freedom of speech that might criticize Islam, the Koran or Mohammed. There can be no freedom of the press that might criticize in any way Islam, the Koran or Mohammed. There can be no freedom of religion, for there can only be one religion, which is Islam. There can be no right to assemble or to petition the government over any grievance because the government is Islam, the law is Islam, and there will be no discussion regarding how it is applied.
Even the right to continue to live, granted by God, enshrined in the American Declaration of Independence, is denied under Islam. If a wife or a child of a Moslem in any way “dishonors” the man, or the family, or Islam, that wife or child may be executed on the spot by the Moslem. There will be no day in court; there will be no advocate appointed for the accused; there will be no defense offered; there will be no opportunity to call witnesses or evidences for the defense; there will be no impartial judge sitting in authority; there will be no jury of peers to hear the evidence; there will be no appeal.
This is, of course, against the law in America. We call it murder.
Here’s what I wrote in the Islam and the Jews page about the threat Islam poses to us, and to everyone who is not of the Islamic persuasion:
Religion of Peace? The entire history of Islam is a history of war. Everything the Koran says, once you recognize that the most peaceful verses have all been abrogated by later violent verses, is violent. Islam is a “religion” that should be very popular with misogynists, wife-beaters, child abusers, rapists, pedophiles, sadists and anyone into dominance. Any American woman who thinks Islam might be a nice faith-culture to experiment with should just go ahead and take the preparatory steps, which would be to turn in her car keys, bag her head and just shut the hell up.
“You shut your mouth, and you get out in that kitchen and rattle those pots and pans with the rest of my wives, and I don’t want to hear another word out of you, Hillary!” Now, I wonder what abusive, domineering American man would ever say such a thing to his own wife? Just wondering out loud …
How to fight Islam. First, we – meaning anyone who is not a Moslem – need to recognize the fact that Islam declared war on us many centuries ago. Actual war. Second, we need to recognize that Islam is irretrievably and irrevocably anti-Semitic, to the point of being genocidal. Nations that are totally under Islamic law, such as Iran, should be recognized as enemy states at war with us, because that is what they are. Iran makes no bones about what it intends to do to us; we should listen to what they say and believe it.
We should close American embassies in such nations and not deal with them, except as necessary to wage war against them, as the situation demands. Their ambassadors and embassies in America should be protected and left alone, if they wish to remain here, but Islam has amply proved that they do not reciprocate in recognizing international law and protecting foreign embassies, ambassadors and representatives. They are far too uncivilized for that.
We need to recognize the fact that the current leadership of Islam fully intends to destroy Israel and exterminate the Jews, and that the current leadership of Marxism fully intends to help them do that. We need to very strongly ally with Israel against any and all Islamic would-be exterminators.
As for the rest of Islam, the vast majority of Moslems not living in such lands as Iran, the war must be a war of ideas, of reason, of critical thinking, of education, and of the advance of truth against falsehood. As we said earlier, the peaceful Moslem is in a difficult position – if he leaves the faith, he is automatically under a death sentence. If he criticizes the faith, or the Koran, or Mohammed, again, he might incur a death sentence. Nevertheless, this must be a war of ideas rather than bullets. There must be opportunities for Moslems to speak openly, to be heard, and to be protected from reprisals.
No Moslem in his right mind is going to openly renounce Islam in most places unless he can somehow get into a “witness protection program” that can somehow guarantee his safety and that of his kin. (Has anyone seen Salmon Rushdie lately?)
Right now, to the best of my knowledge, the best place for a peaceful Moslem to openly speak his mind is right here in America. Even if we cannot strictly guarantee that someone will not sneak up and murder him, we can guarantee that we will try to protect him, and that if a murderer succeeds we will prosecute him to the full extent of the law. (At least, after all the American Marxists are thrown out of positions of power, we should be able to guarantee that.)
All anyone has to do is objectively read history, and critically assess the Koran and the Hadith, with an open mind. I’m not advocating that any Moslem become a Catholic, or even a Christian, or anything at all. What I’m advocating is that Moslems look openly and objectively at their own faith and their own culture, and see if that really seems to be the best way for men to live and interact with other men.
The whole problem – I believe it to be almost the sole problem – of this war of ideas or of ideologies is that the Moslem faces the death threat for following his own conscience and making his own decision regarding his own life direction. This war of ideas will not be won by our side until and unless large numbers of Moslems are able to voluntarily openly renounce Islam in a loud, clear voice, and not suffer in any way for doing it.
It always comes back to the matter of liberty, doesn’t it?
Pray for peace in Jerusalem. Pray for Israel. Pray for the peaceful Moslems.
Be not afraid. Take a stand. Let freedom ring.
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Date: Sat Sep 17 23:51:18 2011
How does the “ignorant” Muslim differ from the “nominal” Catholic? Many Catholics talk a good game but they don’t really believe or follow what Catholicism teaches. How are they any different than the Muslim you say lies “by omission”? Also how do you know so many of them don’t know their faith, but you do know their faith? Are you the only expert on Muslim faith?
Date: Sun Sep 18 07:13:20 2011
From: Vic Biorseth
There is little or no difference between a nominal Catholic and a nominal Moslem. One may be ignorant of some points of his faith, or one may be aware of the correct interpretation but ignore it for convenience; the effect is the same. However, if he knows that his religion calls for war against his neighbor, and he does not warn his neighbor, then he lies by omission.
I am no expert on Islam, but I can read. All you have to be able to do is read and examine with an open mind. Don’t make it more difficult than it has to be.
Date: Sun Sep 18 10:49:06 2011
That sounds good as far as it goes, but you yourself say that “These worlds or domains or houses are not to be found in the Koran or the Hadith, but in the consistent teachings of the Islam Way. Look them up on the internet.” If they are not in the Quran or the Hadith, how is it that they are in Islam at all? And why should I trust the internet? By what authority does the internet teach the theology of Islam, or any theology at all?
Date: Sun Sep 18 14:08:13 2011
From: Vic Biorseth
You have to use good adult judgment regarding the sources that open up through Google, Yahoo or your favorite search engine, whatever it is. If you don’t trust the internet, go to your local library. Go to strictly Islamic sources. What you are looking for is what Islam says on the matter.
The three houses or domains of Islam are merely part of a strategy for achieving the ultimate goal of Islam, which is a world in submission to Islam. This is merely a development of a continually existing doctrine. It is a method developed for the achievement of the goal of the doctrine. Moslems learn about the three domains in their theological seminaries or massadras, and they learn about them from their Imams in their Mosques.
The doctrine that the theology of the three domains seeks to work to achieve is the doctrine that says the Islam is to make war against us until there is no religion existing in the world other than Islam. And that theological doctrine is indeed in the Koran, at 2:193, 8:39 and 9.29. Islam has been at war with the entire non-Islamic world ever since those words were written in the Koran.
Date: Wed Sep 28 23:09:23 2011
From: Immaculate Missionary (a. k. a. Fr. Alan)
Location: La Crosse, WI
Ave Maria! Hi, Vic. I've been pretty busy the last few weeks and will need some time to catch up on my "thinking Catholic" reading. I just wanted to let you know:
a) I think you have a faulty link in your newsletter of 24 Sept. It brought me to this page, instead of the "refuting Obama" article;
b) at one point you put 1948 as the date of the "newly published" Communist Manifesto--did you mean 1848?
c) I have prepared an email that I've sent to my Catholic contacts regarding the urgent need for action to stem yet another Obama attack on morality, via the HHS mandate to make everyone pay for birth control and abortion pills, and sterilization via health care insurance, which also represents an attack on freedom of conscience for health care providers and consumers. I wanted to ask you if you've already sent messages to HHS and to your congressional and senate representatives. If not, I would like to send you the email which contains the links to the Nat'l Comm. for a Human Life Amendment, which provides an extremely easy format for sending these messages with a minimum of time expenditure.
d) I would also like to ask you for an email address where I could send you occasional important (in my opinion) messages that tie in with Catholic citizenship.
e) You may remember my comments to your Cronkite article about 6-8 weeks ago: you said I could have been your pastor speaking; well, I just wanted to 'fess up: I am a priest, a Franciscan Friar of the Immaculate, newly ordained this year, so I was glad to know my comments were "pastoral." Thanks for what you do, and please contact me. You have my email address.
Peace in Christ and the Immaculate Heart.
Date: Thu Sep 29 05:37:55 2011
From: Vic Biorseth
a) I apologize for the faulty link – unfortunately, once an automatic email, which is what an E-zine is, goes out, it’s too late to fix anything in it, including a faulty link. If anyone else out there wanted to respond to that email containing the core of that webpage, and it brought you to this page instead, go to Refuting Obama to respond. Again, I humbly apologize.
This webpage is one of a three-part series, comprised of:
b) Yes, I saw that typo and corrected it on the webpage; again, it’s too late to correct the newsletter. You are quite correct; the Communist Manifesto was published in February 1848, precipitating the 1848 bloody “Springtime of Revolution” all across Europe. Again, I apologize; I fixed the website, but there’s no way to fix the email. That would be like trying to un-ring a bell.
c) No, I am only vaguely aware of this particular evil piece of Obamunism – there are just so many. If you wish, we can publish the links you speak of right here, or perhaps over in the third (right hand) column.
d) I will send you my email, with one caveat; a long time ago, in a far distant galaxy, this website had a “public response” comment area, and a “private response” comment area. Everyone, with very few exceptions, chose the private response, and I wound up in hundreds of private email conversations instead of working on my site in my increasingly limited spare time. There came to be too many email conversations to keep track of for my rather limited thinking capacity. So, I changed everything, to put comment areas at the bottom of every page, to group related conversations together meaningfully. The numbers went way down, but I can keep track of who said what when, and where it might be.
So, I just don’t want to get drawn into any long off-line discussions. I do appreciate important new information, so I will send you an email.
e) Yes, I thought as much when I digested your comment on the Professional Liars page. I thought you might be an ordained priest or a professed religious, and it turns out you are both. May the Lord bless your priesthood and make you fruitful in the vineyard.
Date: Thu Oct 20 08:38:05 2011
I would recommend our friend Rocky begin with a couple searches like these:
http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=fight&t ranslator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&searc h_word=all
http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=coitus& translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&sear ch_word=all
And sites that explore Islam's own words.
The Quran and Hadith on the Banu Quraiza massacre:
Besides Muhammad's cult professing the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, perhaps the most condemning refutation of Muhammad's STAND-ALONE 7th century cult is that while other ancient Arabian towns are very well attested in the historical and archaeological records of Arabia, no such record exists for Mecca - the supposed EPICENTER of Muhammad's religion allegedly since ADAM - ever having existed prior to about the 4th century AD.
No Mecca prior to the Christian era, and we can know irrefutably, that all of the Islamic so-called "tradition" that masquerades as thousands of years of pre-muhammad "history" is nothing more than a bunch of FICTIONAL poppycock, all CREATED and put to the pen in the 7th and 8th centuries by a bunch of semi-literate SW Arabian desert dwellers, without reference to any historical record that existed before the 5th century AD which is when Islamic and Mecca based history BEGAN to be recorded.
And what a history it is!
However perhaps the most amazing thing, is that because of eschatology that was popularized in the 20th century church, today half of the church believes that the book of Revelation was virtually all fulfilled by 70AD (with the exception of the gathering of the elect and return of Christ), and the other half of the church believes that virtually none of Revelation after chapter 3 will be fulfilled until some future 7 year period.
Thus each half of the church must not only believe the other half to be virtually 100% in error regarding their view of Revelation, but BOTH HALVES cannot even begin to consider EVEN FOR A MOMENT, that Muhammad could be THE FALSE PROPHET of the book of Revelation. Isn't that interesting?
Yet 1.5 billion people in the world today must REJECT the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel as a fundamental of their faith in Muhammad:
Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus... but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them... for of a surety they killed him not:-
That Gnostic doctrine known as Simonianism, was imparted to Muhammad by way of his first wife Khadijah's cousin Waraqa bin Nufal, who was a Gnostic Ebionite occult priest.
Let alone that each and every one of Muhammad's followers is an antichrist.
Sura 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father...
Date: Sat Oct 22 05:25:23 2011
From: Vic Biorseth
PeteWaldo and Rocky:
My apologies for not showing the links in the previous post as links – something about them (perhaps the length) wiped out the proper alignment of this whole webpage. So the links are just shown as plain text. Copy and paste them into your browser to use them.
Date: Tue Nov 01 15:33:54 2011
From: ecks why
Informed rational freedom loving people have all the reasons in the world to fear Islam ...
The twin fogs of political correctness & ignorance must be dispersed before western society better understands this menace. Even a brief review of Islamic theology & history quickly exposes the deadly roots of this evil ideology ...
Mohammed was a 7th century murdering warlord who rose to power on a river of blood surrounded by thugs and gangsters using intimidation, violence, deception and trickery to expand their criminal empire while mercilessly suppressing and killing their opponents and enriching themselves on stolen booty.
The evil Koran is a collection of sayings and speeches by this diabolical madman claiming divine guidance from some mythical sky-god which has inspired generations of crazed fanatics to abhorrent behavior resulting in history’s worst ever crimes against humanity starting 1400 years ago and still continuing even today.
Islam is just another fascist totalitarian ideology used by power hungry fanatics on yet another quest for worldwide domination and includes all the usual human rights abuses & suppression of freedoms.
Saturday, September 08, 2012
Updated this page to the new BB 2.0 - SBI! 3.0 release, and/or to make better use of the new reusable code feature.
LOVE this new release!
(Looking at these words again, while doing the page upgrade, makes me wonder anew how it was that Thomas Jefferson was acutely aware of the threat Islam posed to the world, and yet we today seem largely oblivious to the threat. Perhaps common sense has been educated (indoctrinated?) out of us.)
Date: Sun Sep 30 03:25:06 2012
What a filthy hypocriete your are,you shamelessly fooling readers and spreading lies against and Muhammad. !
but REMEMBER, THE TRUE GOD WILL NEVER ACCEPT LIARS AND HYPOCRITES IN HIS KINGDOM.
AND YOU WILL BE THERE...
if you r following teaching,did he said about others... just to make urself betr than muslims..and fool peoples..
INDEED UR CORRUPTED AND PROOF IS UR ACTS AND LIES..
"Shame on you and on ur lies...
//Very conveniently, Mohammed began encountering more revelations from Allah which made it possible to alleviate this situation in Mecca via theological compromise. He again spoke to the leaders of Mecca and told them that the three particularly popular Kabaa deities, the moon god’s three daughters, al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat, were actual devine beings, fully capable of interceding with Allah on behalf of believers. //
JESUS FOLLOWERS A FILTHY HYPOCRITE LIAR... I CHALLENGE YOU!
THIS CONCEPT IS IN BIBLE,IN UR CHRISTIANITY NOT IN ISLAM,IN ISLAM DIRECTLY DEAL WITH GOD ALMIGHTY...ISLAM DONT APPLLY ORIGINAL SIN THEORY...
ur shocks me,one side you,god fearing people, and shamelessly , ur lieing...
MUHAMMAD NEVER ABOUT DAUGHTERS...
THE CHIEF IDOL WAS HUBAL NOT...ALLAH,MUHAMMAD THROWS ALL IDOL OUTSIDE KABAA ,THEY 360 IDOLS WERE THERE.
MAKKAH PEOPLE PERSECUTED BECOZ MUHAMMAD SAID WORSHIP ONE GOD,WHO IS INVISIBLE...
IF MUHAMMAD TO WORSHIP DAUGHTERS THEN WHY MAKKANS WERE ANGRY MORON.
ABROGATED VERSES :
DIDN;T JESUS ABROGATED THE OLD TESTAMENT VERSE ?
DIDN;T GOD GAVE CITY WOMEN TO SOLDIERS TO RAPE AND ENJOY THEM..
SHAME ON YOU ,INDEED YOU ARE FOLLOWER OF SATAN...ONLY SATAN CAN ON BEHALF OF GOD NAME...!
Date: Sun Sep 30 06:46:11 2012
From: Vic Biorseth
Well now … OK …
In the normal situation, before publishing it, I might lightly edit an incoming comment to correct minor miss-spelling, small grammatical errors and such, when and only when I am certain that any changes I make will not change the original meaning. However, when I look at this, I don’t know where to begin. It might be the same in an actual face-to-face discussion. If any Christian would like to carry on a gentlemanly discussion with a seventh century barbarian, he might be well advised to begin the discussion with sword in hand.
You will have to point out to me the Biblical verse where God gave city women to soldiers to rape and enjoy; I seem to have missed that verse.
Recent history, agreeing with the whole history of Islam, shows that gang-rape and even gang-sodomy are so common in Islam as to perhaps be defining characteristics of Moslem men: rapists and sodomites, awaiting the chance to forcibly rape women and sodomize men. I refer you to the recently murdered American “ambassador”, and to Ghadafi, and others. Now, how could any man actually be aroused enough to sodomize another man unless he were actually a homosexual? He couldn’t. And so we see that Moslem men are actually closet homosexuals and rapists just waiting for any chance to sexually abuse anyone who becomes a captive.
If you think all of this article, or any other on this site, is just made up out of thin air, then you haven’t looked at the Reference Material link at the bottom of the page. There you would have found the following references:
The Sword of the Prophet: Islam; History, Theology, Impact on the World, Serge Tridkovic
Islam Unveiled, Robert Spencer
Islamic Invasion, Robert Morey
From a purely religious perspective, let me point out that Christianity came first, and Islam came second, not the other way round. Islam falsely claims to spring from “The Book,” however, I submit that most Moslems have never even read “The Book.” There is one point it makes that must be recognized above all others: it is the final Revelation; the Gospel message is closed until He comes again, and there will be no other gospel.
 Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and fornicators and murderers and idolaters, and every one who loves and practices falsehood.
 "I Jesus have sent my angel to you with this testimony for the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, the bright morning star."
 The Spirit and the Bride say, "Come." And let him who hears say, "Come." And let him who is thirsty come, let him who desires take the water of life without price.
 I warn every one who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if any one adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book,
 and if any one takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
 He who testifies to these things says, "Surely I am coming soon." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!
 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and turning to a different gospel --
 not that there is another gospel, but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ.
 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to that which we preached to you, let him be accursed.
 As we have said before, so now I say again, If any one is preaching to you a gospel contrary to that which you received, let him be accursed.
So “The Book” is crystal clear on this topic. No one is to add to, subtract from or change anything in “The Book.” If anyone preaches a gospel other than the one preached, let him be accursed. Even if one of the original Apostles were to preach a new gospel, let him be accursed. Even if an angel were to come and preach a new gospel, let him be accursed.
Don’t look now, but the Koran is a new gospel.
Date: Thu Oct 04 11:10:15 2012
How can you say the Koran is a new Gospel when the Koran isn’t about the good news or about Jesus Christ at all?
Date: Thu Oct 04 19:05:02 2012
From: Vic Biorseth
The Koran does indeed address the good news and the gospel of Jesus Christ, and openly denies it, contradicts it and condemns it. Here are just a few examples of what it says about our fixed and unchanging gospel:
[4.157] And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the apostle of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure.
So the Koran denies that Jesus Christ was crucified and died.
[4.171] O followers of the Book! do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against Allah, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Isa son of Marium is only an apostle of Allah and His Word which He communicated to Marium and a spirit from Him; believe therefore in Allah and His apostles, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one God; far be It from His glory that He should have a son, whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and Allah is sufficient for a Protector. [4.172] The Messiah does by no means disdain that he should be a servant of Allah, nor do the angels who are near to Him, and whoever disdains His service and is proud, He will gather them all together to Himself.
And the Koran denies the existence of the Holy Trinity of God, and declares that Jesus Christ was not God but a mere Apostle of God.
[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!
And the Koran denies that Jesus was the Son of God.
It is interesting that Islam is so super-sensitive to anyone saying the least little thing against Islam or against Mohammed or against the Koran, and yet their Koran – their claimed holy book – openly blasphemes our God, denies our religion and asks their god to destroy us believers.
All of which begs the question, just who the hell do they think they are?
Date: Mon Aug 26 21:20:22 2013
You should get acquainted with what Ron Paul says about all this. If we were not fighting with Islam, Islam would not be fighting with us. Their own Quran says "fight with them until there is no more persecution" and "if they desist stop all hostility except against oppressors". If we leave them alone they will leave us alone. They only fight against persecution and oppression.
Date: Tue Aug 27 05:57:25 2013
From: Vic Biorseth
Ron Paul only makes sense so long as he sticks to the Constitution and to economics. Once he starts talking about legalizing dope, being nice to the Moslems, national defense and foreign affairs, he reveals his true nature as an amusing, genuine but downright dangerous fruit-loop.
The Koranic verse you are quoting from is 2:193, which says:
"And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors."
You need to understand the Islamic interpretation in the use of the words "persecution", "desist" and "oppressors" in that verse. Ron Paul, and you, apparently think all that refers to physical fighting or war against Moslems. It does not. It means not converting to Islam, and not submitting to Islamic domination. The goal of Islam is to convert the non-believer, or, make the non-believer into a Dhimi, i.e., one who is in total submission and subjugation to Islamic law and rules of life, and who pays the Dhimi tax, which may be 50% or more of everything he owns and everything he earns. Or, kill them.
If you resist the advance of Islam that is "Persecution" and "Oppression" against the advance of Islam. It means resisting what Islam believes is inevitable; a world in submission to Islam. If you desist, they will let you live. Maybe.
Consider what the Koran says in 9:29 on the subject:
"Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection."
Not being in the House of Islam is being an oppressor and a resistor and a persecutor. And they are free to treat you in the worst possible manner.
That's why I say Ron Paul is not only a nut, but a dangerous nut. The higher placed in politics he is the greater the danger he poses to his own constituency.
Date: Tue Aug 27 08:48:09 2013
What you're saying is impossible. You're saying that all Muslims are that way and that is simply not true. The overwhelming majority of Muslims are just as peaceful as anyone else. Do you not see that? How can you condemn a billion or more people as violent and intending to do harm to the rest of us?
Date: Tue Aug 27 19:20:11 2013
From: Vic Biorseth
I am not condemning all or even most Moslems. What I am condemning is Islam. It's own "holy book", the Koran, condemns itself. If I may pull a quote from another commenter on another page - Dennis, in a comment after the Constitutionalism page, said this:
What he meant by "good Muslim" is a good, decent, peaceful person who might be a good neighbor.
What he meant by a "bad Muslim" is one who is not really into his own faith very deeply. He either disagrees with the fiercer verses of the Koran, or he is unaware of them; he is not a well versed Moslem, or one who has been well trained in his religion.
Moslems who are peaceful to others, and who are not what all civilized people would immediately recognize as barbarians, are peaceful, in spite of Islam, certainly not because of Islam. The deeper any Moslem gets into his own religion the more dangerous to the other he becomes. That's just the way it is. It is the Koran itself that "radicalizes" Moslems. And it is the preaching in virtually all Mosques.
That is what makes Obama's ongoing destabilization efforts in the Middle East so very dangerous to world peace. He's doing it on purpose. Countries like Egypt and Turkey who have Moslem populations, but have been governed by "secular" governments for many decades, have always been time bombs in that regard. The secular, meaning, non-Islamic, governments have allowed the principle (or sole) source of economic prosperity, which is infidel tourism, to make those countries peaceful, relatively calm, economically wealthy as compared to their neighbors, and stable.
But out away from the capitals, out in the hinterlands, the people are Moslem, and they don't recognize the rule of the rulers so much. There are all sorts of factions, all of them Islamic. Upset a "secular" government and the hell of Islam, in multiple demonic forms, is unleashed, for Islam is the only form of government that is not against the religion of Islam. (Islam is religion, government and law.)
Would you like to take the wife and kids and go tour Egypt right now, maybe see the pyramids, and maybe get the obligatory photo of yourself riding a camel? No? Well, it's just as well, because the whole of the tourist economy is now destroyed, and all those shops are out of business. And the people are very unhappy, but don't look for any Western style Democracy to emerge from all this death and destruction. Expect ever deepening and ever widening war.
It was Obama's and Hillary's secret gun running operation from Libya through Turkey to the revolutionaries in Syria that brought about the civil war going on in Syria right now, just as it brought about the death of the US ambassador at Benghazi. The goal was and is destabilization, chaos and disorder.
The whole world is being destabilized on purpose.
In Moslem populated lands, it can be done very easily, and it is being done, for the very simple reason that Islam is what it is.
Date: Wed Sep 10 2014
From: Vic Biorseth
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The Islam Pages
With war declared on the whole non-Islamic world in the year 622 A.D., no one should have been surprised at Osama Bin Laden's declaration of war in 1966. Mohammed himself declared war on us long before we existed as a nation. To find the true source of the "radicalization" of peaceful Moslems into Jihadism, all you have to do is read the Koran. It's all right there, and there is nothing radical about it.
The Islam Pages: Setting the record straight for the non-Islamic world. The Islam Pages describe the war declared upon us all by Mohammed after the Hijrah in 622 AD.
Refuting Mohammed and his ideology of conquest masquerading as a religion. Here we refute Mohammed, who should be seen as little more than a popular fraud among pagans.
Definition of Islam: Ideology of Military Conquest Masquerading as a Religion. The Definition of Islam describes the “Convert, Submit or Die” War Strategy of Mohammed.
The Islam Way Versus The Way of the Lord, and the way of Western Culture. The Islam Way stands at loggerheads with the moral, social and civil codes historically common to Judeo-Christian, Western Civilization.
How Orthodox Mainstream Islam Opposes America, and all other National Existence. Islam's Lesser Jihad seeks to (1) Convert All, or (2) Subjugate All, or (3) Kill All. Islam opposes America and American national existence.
The hard, cold, truth about the murderous nature of the religion of Islam. Islam is a religion of Peace? Excuse me? If that's true, then you must agree that Islam has a very funny way of showing it.
OK, the strictly Koranic Islamic teaching on infidels isn't TOTALLY murderous. A changing view on the Islamic teaching on infidels, and other important issues this political election season.
The Islamic Theocracy menace Vs. the U.S. Constitution First Amendment. How to attack the expanding Islamic Theocracy here while remaining true to the Constitution: SANE may have found the way.
Could we, and should we, outlaw Islamic Sharia in the US? Our Constitution guarantees freedom of religion; but what of a "religious law" legal system that has a core goal of the destruction of our Constitution itself?
Can we outlaw Islam in the USA and still be a free thinking society? I say we can and should outlaw any ideology that seeks the elimination of Constitutional America.
Again, it's Israel up against what appears to be the whole pea-picking world. Weak lip-service and pretty speeches aside, America is Israel's only real ally. And, as war is imposed upon her again, even many Americans are lukewarm in their support. Why?
The latest Israeli conflict is little different from all the previous ones. The first Israeli conflict with her neighbors, and every one since then, has been a simple matter of self defense.
Faith And Reason Vs. Islam: A Pontiff on faith and reason again, and again, etc. It is and has always been faith and reason vs. Islam; Islam is unreasonable, it's faith equals submission, and it is by nature violent and war-oriented.
Islam is the enemy; the non-Islamic world just doesn’t know it yet. I keep saying that Islam is the enemy here, and you keep not wanting to hear it. But it's true.
The Ground Zero Mosque. The ground zero mosque is an Islamic slap in the face of all 9/11 victims.
Tolerating intolerance of America is what Americans are being trained to do. In tolerating intolerance of themselves some Americans think they are proving something or other.
More concessions to the Palestinians? Do concessions run on a one way street? Israel is called to make more concessions to the Palestinians. It is never the other way round.
On Evil and Nonsense: Look closely at Nonsense, and find Evil at its root. Evil and Nonsense: deny evil and you deny right vs. wrong; which is to deny common sense, which is to invoke nonsense.
Three fatal oversights of the top conservative cognizanti: Glenn, Rush and Sean. Beck, Limbaugh and Hannity are on the right track, but just nibbling around the edges of who the enemy is.
In support of American Nationalism and American Patriotism. American Nationalism and American Patriotism have been demonized long enough.
Argument opposing Sharia law as brutal, oppressive and murderous. Opposing Sharia Law means opposing brutal domination, wife beating, child abuse and even bloody murder.
Who "radicalized" the Boston Marathon Bomber brothers? It's the Koran, Stupid. Yes, it's the Koran, stupid, and it's mainstream Islam, and there's nothing radical about either of them.
Fair warning: Beware of the Moslem Liars holding olive branches and smiling. If you have Moslem friends, you need to learn about the religious Moslem Liars
General Commentary Pages
Various unrelated topics that stirred thought and provoked writing (or quoting) at one time or another. The Everything Else Bucket.
Anathematizing anathema: the predictable result of the denial of evil. In a world that denies the existence of evil, anathematizing anathema itself is the only anathema allowed.
The Ebola Setup: Another possible trigger for the final revolution? The purposeful government infection of America, through the Ebola setup. Why?
Work at home jobs that have had me. A long, costly and unsuccessful run at work from home jobs that didn't work for us.
Truth versus Agenda addresses the simplest of problems greatly complexified. Truth versus Agenda examines the contest between reality and its opposition.
Vic has Iron Weights for sale; Mama says they have to go. Lots of iron weights for sale; all have to go at once, in one sale.
The challenge describes Capitalism as illusory and Marxism as solid. The mixture of religion just adds to the confusion of all good realists.
Indifferentism and Moral Relativism eats away at Catholic Culture. Catholicism stands against Indifferentism. Where do you stand?
My poor old truck is again starting to look like a poor old truck. After half-a-million miles, we're now approaching another decision time; another paint job, or a new truck.
Battle Line: Where the advancing secular army meets Judeo-Christian moral norms. The Secular Position (or Agenda) involves Proactive, Aggressive Anti-Theism, and not merely "neutral" Atheism.
A return to the American Ideal means a severe reduction in Government. To return to positive growth and progress means, necessarily, purging our nation from all Marxist-Socialist philosophical influence and a return to the American Ideal.
Why this hatred of Palin? What galls modern women of the Left about Sarah Palin? The blind hatred of Palin we’re seeing expressed is not merely because of hatred and intolerance of the pro-life religious moral standard.
A Palin Parker Ticket? My Dream Candidates for 2012. Why a Palin Parker ticket is better than any professional politician Republican ticket you can come up with for 2012.
Elitism Vs Palinism: Why the Left and the Elites Loath and Fear Sarah Palin. It isn’t just Marxism Vs Palinism; it’s also established intellectual elitism vs Palinism. The elite need someone to look down upon.
How is it that opposing amnesty for millions of illegal aliens is "arrogant"? If my pro-Catholic, pro-American, anti-alternative-ethos position is "arrogant," then, exactly what is the position of those who claim superiority or even equality with it?
Here we see Bush family class captured in a simple private citizen’s photo. George W. (and Mrs.) Bush quietly demonstrate Bush family class without hoopla or fanfare.
Marxists love crisis, and they love an oil spill crisis most of all. Marxists even create and drive crisis. Their favorite crisis of all must be the Oil Spill Crisis, which is even better than a Banking Crisis.
American Military Assault Weapons originally intended in the 2nd Amendment. To miss the point of the 2nd Amendment is to miss the point of the whole Constitution.
For God and Country – More Thoughts on America, and on National Existence. For God and Country: Comparisons of martyrdom and heroism, Sovereign Nationhood Vs. Internationalism, distinct people-hood Vs. the Global Village, and Godliness Vs. godlessness.
The Godless Left leads the young and naive to their utopian Hell. For an honest comparison of the effects on youth, we need to look to the history of the Godless Left versus the Religious Right.
The Rabbi Meir Kahane Open Letter to the World is a must read. No decent world history course is complete without the Rabbi Meir Kahane Open Letter to the World.
Aleksandr I.Solzhenitsyn warns the American Worker and American organized labor. Solzhenitsyn speaks to us as a worker from the “Worker’s Paradise” of Communism; words of warning for all who understand the meaning of the word Liberty.
World Revolution returns with a vengeance: the rebirth of Marxism. Marxist world revolution returns, and faces far less opposition than in 1848 or the period between the Great Wars.
Our argument against public despair, hopelessness and pessimism re the future. Despair is a mortal sin, the opposite of the virtue of hope; it is a sin unto the death of the soul, a repudiation and rejection of God’s grace.
On Threats to America's National Existence. A look at the nature of our national existence, what makes us America, physical threats to that, and the possibility of just going out of existence.
On the ethics of language: English dictionary Vs. Political-Correctness taboos. Language evolves, yet morals are (or should be) fixed. This poses questions re the ethics of language.
Thinking Catholic direction: threats to America, Church, Ethos, even History. The Thinking Catholic Direction is multi-faceted, facing threats to American National Existence, Catholic Liturgy, our common Guiding Ethos - emphasis changes to meet the threat of the moment.
Catholics learn and practice Glossalalia, in the Life In The Spirit seminars. Life in the Spirit seminars, fueling the Catholic Charismatic renewal, bring tongue-speaking "Glossalalia", and being "Slain in the Spirit", to Catholicism.
The website is going on hold for at least the next five weeks. Business calls, and I must respond. Will be traveling, and not taking the laptop this time.
Current Website Status. Still too busy for individual responses to questions, comments & criticisms.
Our 2006 Ohio Voter Guide. The choices are quite clear, and the 2006 Ohio Voter Guide was easy to produce.
On carrying my Lord, Jesus Christ, in my pocket. As a Eucharistic Minister, I am on occasion carrying the Lord Jesus in my pocket. It's a wondrous thing.
A 2006 Christmas and Hanukkah wish. May the Holy Days we celebrate remind us all of who we are, and how we are different from other peoples.
Current Democratic Party platform reveals anti-Semitic streak among Liberals. In their voting, their speechifying, and in the slant of their controlled mainstream media reporting, the current Democratic Party Platform is made clear to all observers.
The "Left", and The DaVinci Code, The Passion, and Cartoons of Mohammed. You can tell a lot about a movement by its public words. The Passion? "Unreservedly Bad." The DaVinci Code? "Unreservedly Good." Anything to do with Islam? "No Comment."
Who's driving the Health Care bus? Health insurance companies "grading" doctors? Health insurance companies grading doctors: a legitimized conflict of interest. A preparatory step toward the nationalization of the health insurance industry?
On the forced use of medical boiler plate language rather than simple notes. The "little dictators" from insurance companies and government bureaucracies force MDs to use stilted, verbose, medical boiler plate language in their own documentation.
Home For Christmas 2008. Website Getting Active Again
Hydrogen power could be, and should be, the wave of our automotive future. Any move toward hydrogen power is a move toward a cleaner and more efficient fuel, and away from our dangerous dependency on oil.
Thoughts in remembrance of 09/11/2001, five years later. The changing shape of the war, the changing shape of the enemy.
The Jewish Shabbat. Description of Jewish Shabbat (Sabbath) from my Holy Land item supplier.
Kerry lies again, and then lies about his lies, in concert with the SLIMC. There he goes again! Kerry lies again and again about American servicemen and veterans; he just can't help himself.
Kerry's Lies: The Old, Vietnam-Era Anti-War Chickens are Comming Home to Roost. POW Lawsuit Could Force Kerry To Come Clean - by George "Bud" Day, Chairman, Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation.
What's going on with Mel Gibson? Is he really an anti-Semite? I am surprised that Mel Gibson is an alcolholic. But I am never surprised at any words that come out of the mouth of any drunk.
Still Worrying Over NuVo Consequences. The Holidays have gone by, several days have passed, and the SANE NuVo Initiative still stands pat.
The Dem's October Surprise involves another flip-flop of their public "standard". The clearly pro-sodomy Party that openly seeks the "Gay" vote goes Victorian for another pre-election October Surprise ploy.
Some Problems with NuVo: the so-called Null-Vote Initiative. A "philosophical" movement aimed at keeping religious conservatives from voting? Seriously? Let me state my problems with NuVo.
Come, let us sit and reason together. Jews and Christians of various stripe and spot can say to each other, 'Come, let us sit and reason together.' But we can't do that with the Moslems.
Regarding SANE works dropping NuVo: Nul Vote Initiative dies with a whimper. If you can't really present a good argument, sit down. On SANE Works dropping the NuVo Initiative: a program that works hard to SOUND pro-American while ACTING to oppose American National Existence.
Even experts grossly underestimate the Marxist zeal of the American Left. The sharp Left turn happened in the Hoover-FDR era, and the Marxism of the American Left has been deepening ever since.
Thinking American, in a nutshell: When one has lots to say, but time is limited. The older I get, the busier I get. Answering multiple questions as a thinking American, but in a hurry.
"We are an Easter People, and Hallelujah is our Song." (John Paul the Great) Our absolutely unique and singular Easter story, and the incredible force with which it struck human history.
Witnessing, grieving and weeping for our dieing culture. What might it take to call a whole people back from the brink of cultural death?
If we have an inherent right to something, then, who must supply it? Rights and Responsibilities exist in paired sets; a right does not exist in the absence of a related responsibility. If indeed we have a right to our job, then, someone must provide it. Who?
So how come we have all these homeless people if our system is so great? The strong "Utopian Idealist" firmly believes that absolute worldly perfection is actually possible. Therefore, there should never be any such thing as a hungry or homeless person.
Taking a look at Illegal Imigration and Tax Problem solutions. In our view, the minimum wage and income tax have outlived their usefulness, and only contribute to the illegal alien problem.
First journal / blog entries when the thinking catholic blog first opened up. Notes to readers about what I was doing.
On-going WebSite work and planned WebPages as of 09/07/2006. Adding items to book store.
Vic's busted finger status - life goes on. Another busted finger status report, since the original one rolled off of the 50-entry BLOG update records.
Website Status as of 02/05/2009. No more Bookstore; no more Contact Me; no more complexity.
Website Status 03-09-2009. Just a note to bring you up to date on website status 03-09-2009.
Website Status 04/06/2009. Busy driving daily now; most website work will be weekend and as available.
The Plastic Bags and Eco Doom theory: will plastic bags end life as we know it? Plastic Bag and Eco Doom predictions tell us that plastic grocery and garbage bags will still be buried in the land fills and dumps a thousand years from now. Well … so what?
Farewell Smokey Biorseth; Rest In Peace. Hello Coal Biorseth; Welcome Home. As we were laying our beloved Smokey Biorseth to rest in his grave beside the lilies, a carbon-copy of Smokey, in younger form, emerged from the lilies.
Honky Biorseth really runs this house. If you want to know what's in any cabinet in the house, just ask Honky Biorseth.
Kill the illegal alien marketplace, and illegal aliens will leave on their own. Why should we "imagine" life with no Mexico? Shouldn't the Mexicans be trying to imagine no such thing as the USA?
More Marxist infiltration of higher education. Public school and the media are not the only places dominated by Marxist thought; even Catholic institutions are infected.
Of Families and Fortunes, and Inheritance Vs. Redistribution. Families and Fortunes are despised by Marxists, because Marxism demonizes the family, demonizes fortunes, and even demonizes profit.
Website Status Update 11/09/10. Just a Website status update; where we are and where we’re going.
Regarding the 2010 Tax Deal Pledge Breaker: Pledge? What Pledge? How can Republican deal makers even face us? We need to hang a Tea Party target on all professional politicians for 2012.
Pray for peace in Jerusalem, and for deliverance of Israel from harm. To pray for peace in Jerusalem is to pray for deliverance from Obama.
A tale of Promised Financial Melt-Down Debt Ceiling Nonsense and Happy Marxists. Everyone, on both sides, believes the Debt Ceiling Nonsense. Why?
God and Nature: on the Nature of Things, established by the Creator of Things. God and Nature: on man’s Perversion of the Nature of Things, even with the best of intentions.
Our Ohio voter Guide for the 2012 Election. The 2l012 Ohio Voter Guide – The Choices Have Never Been Clearer, or more critical.
Evangelization enters the animal kingdom with the first bear prayer. It is fitting that the first bear prayer would be a prayer of thanksgiving.
Is the Internet down in Lithuania? Sudden loss of Lithanian traffic suggests the internet is down in Lithuania.
The rise of the Femi Nazi Green Beret, and the decline of military victory. The first Femi Nazi Green Beret will be awarded out of fairness, not excellence.
Food Insurance: Is this stuff really any good? All of us conspiracy-theorizing, global-calamity doomsday-preppers need their Food Insurance.
We just had to try to do Robert Irvine's Plastic Wrapped Baby Back Ribs. Put plastic wrapped baby back ribs in the oven? What? Are you nuts?
Thoughts on the first Eucharist, established by the Last Supper. The first Eucharist was recognized by the Apostles for what it was on that holiest Holy Thursday.
Tea-Party-Candidates-04-18-2014. The Constitution is not going to be restored to legal preeminence unless we replace leadership incumbents of BOTH PARTIES.
Ecce homo; Behold the man. Ecce Homo. Behold the Innocent Lamb, who takes away the sins of the world.
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