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Catholic Communism: Similarities between Church Hierarchy and Pure Bureaucracy.

Mises said that Communism equals Bureaucracy; the Church is a bureaucracy, therefore we have Catholic Communism. True?

Vic Biorseth, Monday, April 05, 2010
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Socialism is pure bureaucracy. Mises.

In response to a recent commenter in the dialogue after the Definition Of Marxism page, I responded in part with a quote from a book by the famous Austrian economist, Ludwig Von Mises. Upon further reflection on the words of Mises, I decided that they deserved a separate page on this website, particularly in this time when so many people seem to be just becoming aware of the true nature of Marxism, in all it’s variations. It attempts to shoe-horn people into boxes beneath a hierarchical structure so that the details of the living of their lives may be “correctly” directed from above, in defiance of human nature.

Such pure bureaucracy works for the Church, but not for the social order outside the Church, and the reasons are fairly obvious. Without further elaboration about it by me, here is what Von Mises said about it.

Plato’s ideal of elite rule has been converted into fact by the Catholic Church. The Roman Church, under the Tridentine organization as it emerged from the Counter Reformation, is a perfect bureaucracy. It has successfully solved the most delicate problem of every non-Democratic government, the selection of the top executives. To every boy access to the highest dignities of the Church is virtually open. The local priest is anxious to smooth the way to education of the most intelligent youths of his parish; they are trained in the Bishop’s seminary; once ordained, their further career depends entirely upon their character, their zeal, and their intellect. There are among the prelates many scions of noble and wealthy families. But they do not owe their office to their ancestry. They have to compete, on almost equal terms, with the sons of poor peasants, workers and serfs. The princes of the Catholic Church, the abbots and teachers of the theological universities, are a body of eminent men. Even in the most advanced countries they are worthy rivals of the most brilliant scholars, philosophers, scientists, and statesmen.

It is to this marvelous instance that the authors of modern socialist utopias refer as an example. The case is manifest with two forerunners of present-day socialism: Count Henri de Saint Simon and August Comte. But it was essentially the same with most other socialist authors, although for obvious reasons they did not point to the Church as a model. No precedent of a perfect hierarchy could be found other than that presented by Catholicism.

However, the reference to the Church is fallacious. The realm of Christianity which the Pope and the other Bishops administer is not subject to any change. It is built upon a perennial and immutable doctrine. The creed is fixed forever. There is no progress and not evolution. There is only obedience to law and the dogma. The methods of selection adopted by the Church are very efficient in the government of a body clinging to an undisputed, unchangeable set of rules and regulation. They are perfect in the choice of the guardians of an eternal treasure of doctrine.

But the case of human society and civil government is different. It is the most precious privilege of man to strive ceaselessly for improvement and to fight by improved methods against the obstacles that nature opposes to his life and welfare. This innate impulse has transformed the descendants of crude cave dwellers into the somewhat civilized men of our age. But mankind has not yet reached a state of perfection beyond which no further progress is possible. The forces that brought about our present civilization are not dead. If not tied by a rigid system of social organization, they will go on and bring further improvement. The selective principle according to which the Catholic Church chooses its future chiefs is unswerving devotion to the creed and its dogmas. It does not look for innovators and reformers, or for pioneers of new ideas radically opposed to the old ones. But it is precisely this adamant conservatism that makes bureaucratic methods utterly inadequate for the conduct of social and economic affairs.

Bureaucratization is necessarily rigid because it involves the observation of established rules and practices. But in social life rigidity amounts to petrification and death. It is a significant fact that stability and security are the most cherished slogans of present-day “reformers.” If primitive men had adopted the principle of stability, they never would have gained security; they would long since have been wiped out by beasts of prey or microbes.

German Marxians coined the dictum: If socialism is against human nature, then human nature must be changed. They did not realize that if man’s nature is changed, he ceases to be man. In an all-round bureaucratic system neither the bureaucrats nor their subjects would any longer be real human beings.

(Bureaucracy; Ludwig Von Mises; pp 101-103)

To the modern Marxist, today’s Roman Catholic Church would present the perfect model for a socialist / Communist bureaucracy, except for all that religious nonsense, of course. It solved the otherwise unsolvable problem: the normalized, expected and peaceful transition of administrative power from one administration to the next. It works for ecclesial society. However, in secular society, Von Mises pointed out that “If the decision between various candidates is not left to majority vote, no principle of selection remains other than civil war. The alternative to the democratic principle of selection through popular election is the seizure of power by ruthless adventurers.” … “The truth is that such a Fuhrer system must necessarily result in permanent civil war as soon as there are several candidates for supreme office.” I don’t know about you, but I don’t like war. Been there; done that; don’t care to do it again unless absolutely necessary.

The problems with Democracy are the obvious ones associated with the “pure Democracy” end of the democratic spectrum. Obviously, we cannot take a vote on every single decision that must be made, so it is far too ponderous and time consuming as a from of government. An example of a pure Democracy might be a lynch mob. Beyond inefficiency, the more serious problem with it is that the majority is not always right, and so pure majoritarian voting is dangerous to justice. There must be something – some unshakable standard agreed to by all – that remains settled, and that we do not have to vote on again and again.

Our unique American Constitutional Republic has come closer to the perfect secular solution than any other government system in world history. It allows the populace the liberty to compete and excel, it allows the free market to expand and operate via the natural laws of supply and demand, it constrains the liberty of the citizenry only in so much as they might do injury to other citizens or the free market, it elects Representative government administrators to oversee government operations, and the elections are done by a fundamentally moral people.

I think we can all see that the current Marxocratic Regime, with Comrade Obama, peace be upon him, presiding, is operating to directly dismantle or negate every element of our Republic enumerated in the paragraph above. Marxism, in any variety at all, simply does not work in the civil order. It is antagonistic to and destructive of human nature. It even seeks to change human nature, which means that those changed would no longer be human. It prepares people for herding; it seeks to change homo sapiens into herd animals, totally dependent upon their handlers.

Every variant of Marxism by every possible description involves the lie of redistribution – redistribution is a lie because the government will simply take it and use it for its own purposes and not redistribute it – to create a centrally planned and government controlled market, and a completely dependent, subservient citizenry. Marxism always, always, involves increased impoverishment of the whole citizenry.

Take a look at the recent USCCB Flip-Flop article submission for yet another example of where some of our Bishops might be taking us.

Pray for America, and join all the rest of us in our biggest rally ever, which will be at the November 2 2010 polling place rally in your neighborhood. Vote ‘em outa here.



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Date: Mon Apr 12 23:34:14 2010
From: The Persian
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Mises referred to Socialism not Communism. You seem to not know the difference. Why do you mix references so? It looks like you need to go back to school. For someone who seeks to be recognized expert, you don’t know what you speak of. There is big difference between Socialism and Communism. Why do you not know that?


Date: Tue Apr 13 05:57:13 2010
From: Vic Biorseth
Comment:

Persian:

You’re quite right, of course; there is a difference between Socialism and Communism. As pointed out in the The Great Communist Lie page, both of them are fraudulent movements, along with every other social term described by Karl Marx, one of history’s greatest and most successful frauds. I’m sure we both know that Communism, as Marx described it, has never even existed, is quite impossible and will never exist. However …

Let’s look at the Marxist terms as used by the rulers of the lands supposedly able to be defined by very specific Marxist terms, as your teachers probably taught you.

Russia under Lenin was supposed to be Marxist-Leninist. In actuality, it was a typical Socialist dictatorship. But Lenin referred to himself as a Communist, to his movement as Communist, to his country as Communist, and his political Party was called the Communist Party.

China under Mao was supposed to be Maoist. In actuality, it was a typical Socialist dictatorship. But Mao referred to himself as a Communist, to his movement as Communist, to his country as Communist, and his political Party was called the Communist Party.

Cuba under Castro was supposed to be Fidelista. In actuality, it was a typical Socialist dictatorship. But Castro referred to himself as a Marxist-Leninist, and also as a Communist, to his movement as Communist, to his country as Communist, and his political Party was called the Communist Party.

So I’m sure you can see the source of my confusion, and I hope you can forgive my confusion. The whole world uses the Marxist terms Socialist and Communist interchangeably whether any modern day professors like it or not.

Our own current glorious leader, Comrade Premier Barack Hussien Obama, peace be upon him, hopes to be the first American President to fulfill the dream of the famous anti anti-Communist Walter Cronkite by yielding up American sovereignty for the greater good of a future Communist world. And all the Democrats will say amen. The drive is toward a U.N. ruled world of social sameness; our Marxocratic Party continues to dream the impossible dream.

Regards,

Vic


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Date:  Sun Feb 24 06:13:43 2013
From:  FakeKraid
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You discredit any authority your ideas might have by the ludicrous notion that Obama is a communist or socialist.  Obama is, at present, the greatest friend in the world to capitalists and their interests, and in fact the aims espoused in his rhetoric (but, sadly, almost totally unreflected in his actions) are the single greatest hope that the current capitalist leaders of the world have of avoiding widespread violent revolution in the coming decade or two as the global economy inevitably collapses and the middle and lower classes are increasingly thrust down into poverty.  I would refer you to any communist, socialist, or otherwise Marxist forum or community on the internet.  See how they talk about Obama.  I defy you to find a single one where Obama is anything but vilified and despised.


Date:  Sun Feb 24 06:44:41 2013
From:  Vic Biorseth
Comment:  

FakeKaraid:

First, Comrade Obama, peace be upon him, has clearly identified himself as a Marxist by his own written and spoken words.  See the Refuting Obama page and all the articles about him linked to in the right hand column of that page.  He clearly despises Capitalism (i.e., the combination of a Free Market and Human Liberty) and is doing everything in his power to destroy it. 

Second, there is no such thing as "the Capitalist leaders of the world."  Capitalism is an economic organism, not a governmental one. 

Third, other Marxists hate Comrade Obama, peace be upon him, solely because he does not openly accomplish his objectives through violence and bloody revolution, but through Alinskyite deep deception and treachery, operating from the inside to bring America down.  He is a new-school political revolutionary.  Dim-bulb, open, old-school Marxist bloody revolutionaries therefore do not recognize him as one of their own. 

Fourth, regarding the coming "widespread violent revolution" when the "global economy inevitably collapses", the "inevitability" of this collapse followed by revolution is totally unnatural.  It is being purposely caused by the work of Marxists, Moslems and aloof, super-bourgeois elitist New World Order and/or Crony-Capitalists like George Soros, Maurice Strong and Warren Buffet, who act disengaged, innocent and unconcerned. 

Regards,

Vic


Date:  Mon Feb 25 05:11:28 2013
From:  Phillip
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Could someone elaborate on the "super-bourgeois elitist capitalists" - this is the first I have heard of this.


Date:  Mon Feb 25 08:55:16 2013
From:  Vic Biorseth
Comment:  

Phillip:

These "super-bourgeois" elitists are the behind-the-scenes, incredibly rich manipulators of world currencies, commodities, corporations, real estate, international political organizations like the UN and various global "conferences" on economics, environment, etc., and even of various revolutionary movements of Marxism and Islam.  Most of the organizations are not even aware of the degree to which they are being manipulated for the benefit of these men. 

By unscrupulous manipulation of vast quantities of various currencies and commodities, they turn their millions into billions, their billions into trillions, and their trillions into quadrillions.  If not in actual counting, then in actual buying power, exchange value and personal holdings.  They are devoid of scrupples; they are completely amoral. 

They are just having fun

Regards,

Vic


Date:   Tue Aug 12 2014
From:  Vic Biorseth
Comment:  

Changes pursuant to changing the website URL and name from 
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Pulled the trigger on the 301 MOVE IT option June 1, 2014. Working my way through all the webpages.  . 

Regards,

Vic


Date:  Fri Apr 10 21:37:05 2015
From:  The Plummer
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Location:  USSA (United Socialist States of America)
Comment: 

Just found your writings today. I must say, you have a grasp of reality that even the most educated cannot seem to understand, or they are merely liars.

Curious though, you have made no mention, that I have found, that addresses "cultural marxism", the school of Frankfurt, and all the SJW (social justice warriors), such as affirmative action, feminism, the corrupt family court system. All mechanisms of the cultural Marxists attempt to destroy the family (a core tenant of Marxist ideology).

As well as, I fear you only begin to identify the tip of the iceberg of the oligarical super wealthy that are finding and promoting this Marxist agenda. I believe they know that the useful idiots that constantly lower the bar toward total degradation of society, in hopes of this utopia, will never move through communism and into marxism. They know it will ultimately stop with tyranny and the oligarchs will still be in power, never to be toppled by the working class.

I even believe the CIA is an organization designed to do its bidding of creating destabilizing governments, and the U.S. is also being attacked (the constitution, and liberty). My evidence of such is that the CIA is routinely funded by the oligarchs, not to mention the owners of the FED and they are the same people. In the early 70's the CIA funded the birth of the feminist movement. Look how much damage that flawed cultural Marxist ideology has done. Masculinity has been deemed "toxic". Fathers are summarily eliminated from their children's lives, and the infection of feminism in all the christian churches, even our Roman Catholic Church.

I'd love to read your thoughts on my points. You have a great ability to explain the truth.

Keep up the great work.


Date:  Sat Apr 11 2015
From:  Vic Biorseth
Comment:  

Plummer:

I believe all of your points have been addressed, in multiple places, with one exception:  I would have to see your evidence that oligarchs are directly funding the CIA.  I recognize the fact that big-time Crony-Capitalists (potential Marxists of the Fascistic or National Socialist variety) and Globalists are deeply in bed with the Marxocrat Party and the Republicrat Party.  But I've seen nothing to indicate that the CIA is funded by anything other than tax revenues and increased national debt. 

For your other points, try the Marxism Pages, the Divide and Conquer Pages, the Infiltration of Evil Pages, the Treachery and Treason Pages, and various other sections.  I can't remember them all.  You might even try the new Absolute Stupidassism Pages, still under construction. 

Regards,

Vic


Date:  Sat Apr 11 15:00:20 2015
From:  The Plummer
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Location:  USSA (United Socialist States of America)
Comment: 

Reference the CIA connection to feminism, see this article. http://www.rense.com/general21/hw.htm


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Resignation of Benedict XVI and the Immediate Media Firestorm. The resignation of Pope Benedict XVI and Rev. Marcel Guarnizo's interview with the author that caused the international media frenzy.

The Jewish Shabbat. Description of Jewish Shabbat (Sabbath) from my Holy Land item supplier.

Kerry's Lies: The Old, Vietnam-Era Anti-War Chickens are Comming Home to Roost. POW Lawsuit Could Force Kerry To Come Clean - by George "Bud" Day, Chairman, Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation.

Just Laws for a Godly Nation. Many nations today still lack a core of just laws for a Godly nation.

What does the World Wildlife Fund have to do with World Youth Day? An unholy alliance between the Leftist WWF and the Vatican?

False Flag: Serious-minded fiction creating a better understanding of 9/11. Can serious-minded fiction play a role in creating a better understanding of critical contemporary social/political issues like 9/11?

Bringing the Liturgy Back to the Real Vatican II. Cardinal Burke Comments on Sacra Liturgia Conference

Layman letter to all bishops. Letter to Bishops from Mariann / Mary's Child

Fetal-Microchimerism gives new meaning to the bonding of Motherhood.  How the unborn child blesses the mother and physically changes her, for the rest of her life.

Ars celebrandi et adorandi - Pastoral Letter from Bishop Thomas John Paprocki. With Ars celebrandi et adorandi, all Springfield IL Catholic Parishes move Jesus back to the center of life!  YES!

To be, or not no be lukewarm; that is the question. Whether tis nobler to fight the good fight, or just smile and be nice ...

Technology: a Two Edged Sword. Technology can be used for good, or for evil.

More American Imperial Edicts Issuing Forth out of Obamunism. Archbishop Schnurr joins Rick Santorum in identifying American Imperial Edicts from this administration.

Benedict XVI's Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum; Apostolic letter on 1962 Rite.
The Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum confirms the 1962 Latin Rite as the 'Extraordinary' Roman Liturgical Rite.

The Pope's Letter to Bishops on Summorum Pontificum.  Benedict XVI's Letter to Bishops on Summorum Pontificum issued the same day as the Motu Proprio.

The Explanatory Note on Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum.  An 'Explanatory Note on Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum' issued by the Vatican.

A concerned Catholic spotlights Catholic funded Alinsky organizations. The Alinskyite Gamaliel Foundation underpins multiple Catholic funded Alinsky organizations.

From Shane Leslie Mattison, whose father was Elden Mattison Woolliams. Annecdotes from Shane Leslie Mattison.

Dr. Ben Carson, Champion of God, Family, Country and Decency in Government.  Ben Carson can return America to being a Constitutional Republic once again.

A submission from someone who would be Pope.  If all the last five or so Popes have been invalid Popes, then, where's the valid one?  Why, Brother Michael, of course!

Atheist Genesis:

In the beginning there was nothing, and nothing happened to nothing.
And then nothing accidentally exploded and created everything.
And then some bits of everything accidentally encountered other bits of everything and formed some new kinds of everything.
And then some bits of everything accidentally arranged themselves into self-replicating bits of everything.
And then some self-replicating bits of everything accidentally arranged themselves into dinosaurs.
See?

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