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A truly disgusting debate, which spells doom for conservatism.
Vic Biorseth Wednesday, October 08, 2008
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We got to watch the debate last night before I had to jump on my truck and make another run, and it was about as bad as any we’ve ever seen. It was, essentially, a battle of limited wits between two flaming liberals. I had hopes for a major sea-change on the part of McCain, since he had recently actually gone on the attack and pressed issues than he should have been pressing from the beginning; but no, it was not to be, and it may be (and probably is) that the train has left the station, and McCain is not on board.
Part of the problem may have been that it was not as advertised, a “Town Hall” meeting. People were not free to dialogue directly with the candidates in a back and forth manner. Brokaw cherry-picked each and every question and questioner, rather than allowing the candidates to just talk directly to the people. No moderator was really needed here. McCain was not at his best; this was just another moderated “debate” with questions filtered through a typically Leftist major media moderator.
I would have thought that McCain, as an ex-fighter pilot, would still have some killer instinct in him that, once summoned, would put him on the determined, persistent attack. It turned out that Obama is a better debater. Which many of us would discount, but many more of us do not discount. Most people, I’m afraid, do not go into issues substantively. They go more by appearances, and gotcha-phrases, and smoothness, and unflappability, and “coolness.” As much as I hate to say it, looks and strong voice and charisma are quite likely to carry the day in this Presidential race. McCain needed a knockout, and he didn’t deliver.
And, now that we know that he’s actually contemplating using our tax dollars to buy up some mortgage foreclosures in order to allow people who didn’t pay their bills to stay in the houses they didn’t pay for, we can see that it doesn’t really make much difference anyway. He’s almost as Leftist as Obama.
While Obama is, quite obviously, a flat out Marxist, steeped in Socialist theory and determined to use the highest level of government to solve every single problem that exists, it is now equally obvious that McCain is, at the very least, a philosophical Communist who probably doesn’t even know what he is. Obama’s policies clearly oppose Capitalism; McCain’s policies interfere with the free market, at the very least. They both look to the highest level of government to solve all the problems on earth. All you have to do is look at what they both said.
They both see health care (or health care insurance) as some sort of automatic entitlement, or even as a Constitutional right of everybody, and they both see the federal government as the proper guarantor and provider of that entitlement; they only snipe at each other and quibble over details.
They both see home ownership as some sort of automatic entitlement, or even as a Constitutional right of everybody, and they both see the federal government as the proper guarantor and provider of that entitlement; they only snipe at each other and quibble over details.
They both blame and demonize Wall Street for the current financial crisis, rather than years and years of government action, from 1929 until now, as documented in the 2008 Financial Crisis page. Both want to use the federal government to reign in and regulate, perhaps unto death, the very free market, or what’s left of it, that made us the economic giant that we are.
They both are certain, certain, that:
- global warming is man-induced;
- man can do something about the global climate;
- the highest level of government must be fully engaged, at whatever cost, to do this something.
No one on earth can produce any incontrovertible empirical evidence that the problem they both seek to solve at our expense even truly exists. None. They only snipe at each other and quibble about details; they are both quite certain of their positions.
They both envision elaborate plans to get us into alternative fuels and alternative vehicles and alternative sources of energy, and that’s fine, but they both, again, see the highest level of government to be the proper guarantor and even producer of these gains, rather than the free market. As on other issues, they only snipe at each other and quibble over details. Neither of them are smart enough to know that if any of their alternatives were truly viable and cost effective, the free market would have already brought them into being and into use just as soon as they were viable and cost effective.
New advances and new things are always, always, brought into being sooner and better by a free people operating in a free market place than by any government edict. The notion that it is the other way round is an old Marxist notion, just as is the notion that everything is better run or done by government.
Lenin, a real dummy, learned all that he knew about business by listening to stories from friends who occasionally sat in business offices. In his view, running a business involved scribbling, recording and ciphering. He applied how to run a business to how to run a people. Thus he declared, “accounting and control” are the chief things necessary for the organizing and correct functioning of a whole society. But these chores, he opined, had already been simplified by capitalism to the utmost, till they have become the extraordinarily simple operations of watching, recording and issuing receipt, within the reach of anybody who can read and write and knows the first four rules of arithmetic. Here we have the “philosophy” of the filing clerk in its full glory. (The Anti-Capitalist Mentality; Ludwig Von Mises, Libertarian Press, 1972, pg 24.)
Obama wants to order us into energy independence within ten years, based on how John F. Kennedy ordered us onto the moon within ten years. And maybe he can. But he cannot do it as cost-effectively or as profitably or as efficiently as a free market can do it. And a free market, very importantly, can sustain it and do it profitably, without adding any debt burden to the people, unlike a federal government.
When an old time Russian Bolshevik spoke the words ”The Party”, and when the old time German National Socialist Worker spoke the words ”Der Staadt”, the words were accompanied by a slight softening of the voice, a slight glistening of the eye, a slight nodding of the head, indicating a reference to something higher and greater than one of us or each of us. It was a reference to the new God-State, and the speaker envisioned himself as the keeper and preserver of the new liturgy and sacred creed, who passed on bits of the new divine wisdom to the rest of us. That’s how the bureaucrat views himself: to align yourself with the new divine will is to be patriotic. Socialism is made out of bureaucracy. The two terms are almost synonymous. When God is driven out of anything, something will take His place.
As I said in the 2008 Financial Crisis page, Obama’s spending plans are in near mirror image to the plans of Hoover and Roosevelt that caused, deepened and prolonged the Great Depression, which didn’t end until World War II. The situation was strikingly similar. Market crash, followed by giant government spending on social programs accompanied by tax increases. Poof. There went the free economy.
In more recent history, Bush I took office, referred to Reagan’s supply-side hands-off policies as “voodoo economics”, and turned the Reagan boom into a new recession in less than a year and a half. (Supply Side includes inducements to get people to go to work; Leftists like to induce people to not go to work, but still receive some benefits, such as unemployment, paid leave, welfare, etc., or, to work minimally, as when guaranteed a specific wage, no matter what.)
The only real reason I see to vote for McCain over Obama now, is that, once we have ourselves a President Obama (gag; puke; choke;) the country will be run essentially by three people: Barack Obama, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi. Extreme Leftists, all. Extreme anti-Judeo-Christian morality, all. Lovers and promoters of abortion, all. Lovers and promoters of homosexuality, all. Imagine the Supreme Court they would saddle us with, for untold decades to come. We would be looking at the rise of militant secularism and of Marxism, and direct opposition to our weakly enduring national ethos. To be replaced with the ethos of BMDFP10 , Democrats and other Marxists.
The only bright spot in this whole mess is Sara Palin, a breath of fresh air, perhaps a good future President. Right now she represents, clearly, the best man standing among the four who are running. But she’s not at the top of the ticket, where she belongs.
Pray for America. And Vote, as if your country depended on it.
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SLIMC1 Secularist Liberal Intellectual Media ComplexGESGOEAEOT2 Gradually, Ever So Gradually, Over Eons And Eons Of Time
PEWAG3 Punctuated Equilibrium's Wild-Assed Guess
TTRSTF4 Them There Real Scientifical-Type Fellers
TTRSPTF5 Them There Real Smart Perfesser-Type Fellers
TTRSJTF6 Them There Real Smart Journalistical-Type Fellers
SNRTACBT7 Surely No Right Thinking Adult Could Believe Today
STNSEACPB8 Surely Today No Serious Educated Adult Could Possibly Believe
WDN9 We Don't Know
BMDFP10 Baboons, Mongrel Dogs, Filthy Pigs and ...
HBAACOTE11 Human Beings Are A Cancer On The Earth
ACLU12 Anti-Christian Litigation Union
FLORMPORIF13 Flagrant Liar, Or, Mindless Parrot, Or, Innocent Fool
MEJTML14 Marxist Ends-Justify-The-Means Liar
IEJTML15 Islamic Ends-Ends-Justify-The-Means Liar MPAV16 Marxist Principles And Values
WBESSWG17 Wise, Benign, Elite, Super-Scientific World Governance
TRMITM18 The Reason Man's In This Mess
IYI19 Intellectual Yet Idiotic
TTRSCBTF20 Them There Real Smart Catholic Bishop Type Fellers
IACMPVND21 Illegal-Alien-Criminal Marxocrat-Party-Voting Nation-Destroyers
PEJTML22 Palestinian Ends-Justify-The-Means Liar
PSYOP23 "Psychological Operation" Mind Trick
CDC24 Covid Developmentally Challenged
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Gnosis The Main Expression of Modern Paganized Christianity
The Worldview of Evil Spirits Revolution, Evolution, Materialism, Nihilism, New World Order, and More
Judgment and Wrath The Biblical Explanation for Madness and Evil
Evil Spirits, Death of God, Satanic Inversion Pagan America’s Reality of Madness, Demonic Bondage, and Non-Self
What Kind of God Do You Believe In?
2 Cor. 10:5 Destroying 'Scientific' Arguments for False Gods
The Creation Model Versus Modern Pagan Models
2 Corinthians 10:5
The Serpent’s Gnostic Luciferian Elite Oligarchy and Global Powers Demonic Darkness Over the West and America
Our Age of Malicious Perversion How Truth, Meaning, and Reality Have Been Perverted
Moving Toward Gorbachev’s “World of Communism” It's called the Monster Plot
9/11 Truth This is the real 9/11 Truth: Our “intelligence” agencies are infiltrated.
Gnosis: The Main Expression of Paganized Christianity in the New Age Inner Knowing, Self-Salvation
Doctrines of Demons and the Modern Pagan and Pantheist Antithesis The West's Greatest Threat
Americas’ Spiritually Dead, Deep State and Ruling Class Nihilists Walking Dead Parasitic Idolaters
Pagan-Darwinian-Materialism Redoubt of Miserable Self-Deceived Non-Self Nihilists
Bury The Dead And Move On Fuggedaboutit!
China's Mass Murder Experiment Phase Two
A Top to Bottom Housecleaning of America When we clean our house, my wife has a slogan, “Top to bottom,” meaning you have to target the whole house. The same advice applies to nations.
THE WORLDVIEW OF EVIL SPIRITS - an article by Linda Kimball MAGICAL MYSTERY CHURCH
A Republican Church Committee? Do Pro-American Republicans Even Know Who Frank Church Really Was?
Death of the Christian God in Hearts of All Humans Why America and W. Europe are Committing Suicide
Who Is Intolerant Because Ashamed: Creationists or Evolutionary Theists?
The Biden Doctrine of Demoralization and Defeat By Cliff Kincaid
Luciferian Humanists: Citing the Genesis Account is Evil “Any country grounded in Judaeo-Christian values can’t be overthrown until those roots are cut
Eternal Paradise Or Hell? How And Why Both Choices Are Freely Made… "
The Five Stooges on Capitol Hill They Think We Need Even More Doped No-Hopers In The American Intelligence Community
Luke 21: 29-31: Some Signs Of America’s Abandonment
And Spiritual Bondage
Trump and His Communist Enemies The Demonized Joe McCarthy Turned Out To Be Accurate In Everything He Claimed: Fox News Is Wrong About Him And About Much More
Fox Is the Leading "Trans" Channel There are some rather peculiar goings-on at the Fox News Channel.
Supernatural Genesis 1-11 vs. Pagan Darwinism God and Liberty or Fallen Mankind and Tyranny
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The stratagem of Machiavelli, systematized by Hegel, perfected by Marx and improved by Alinsky of "initiate calamitous emergency, then ride heroically to the rescue and assume more political power" is being played out right before our eyes by the Marxocrat Party, with the Republicans dutifully cooperating.
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Regarding the perceptible depth of Marxist Infiltration in America. Marxist Infiltration: How do we measure it? Number of bureaucrats on government payroll, or, Freudian slips of office holders?
Measuring the Marxist Seeds of Disaster that were sown long ago. Marxist Seeds of Disaster are sprouting. Free Market garden growing a bitter harvest born of bitter seeds of Marxist Theory.
Obama Ethos: Who is Barack Obama? What is his grounding, his ethos? Obama Ethos explores Obama's grounds of being; his religious, moral and political guiding principles.
2008 Political Crisis: the Pseudo-Intellectual Elite Fad of Marxism looms in America. 2008 Political Crisis of Socialism looms over America, and over all of Western Culture.
Is the 2008 world economic condition as rosy as all the Obama fans think it is? Here comes Change. The question is whether it might be beneficial or catastrophic for the 2008 world economic condition.
2008 Obama Election: Disaster, or Turning Point? The 2008 Obama Election may spell doom for Conservatism, or, mark a turning point back to basics.
Nito Gnoci
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Supernatural Genesis 1-11 vs. Pagan Darwinism God and Liberty or Fallen Mankind and Tyranny
Luke 21: 29-31: Some Signs Of America’s Abandonment And Spiritual Bondage
Eternal Paradise Or Hell? How And Why Both Choices Are Freely Made
Luciferian Humanists: Citing the Genesis Account is Evil “Any country grounded in Judaeo-Christian values can’t be overthrown until those roots are cut … "
Who Is Intolerant Because Ashamed: Creationists or Evolutionary Theists?
Death of the Christian God in Hearts of All Humans Why America and W. Europe are Committing Suicide
THE WORLDVIEW OF EVIL SPIRITS - an article by Linda Kimball MAGICAL MYSTERY CHURCH
Pagan-Darwinian-Materialism Redoubt of Miserable Self-Deceived Non-Self Nihilists
Americas’ Spiritually Dead, Deep State and Ruling Class Nihilists Walking Dead Parasitic Idolaters
Doctrines of Demons and the Modern Pagan and Pantheist Antithesis The West's Greatest Threat
Gnosis: The Main Expression of Paganized Christianity in the New Age Inner Knowing, Self-Salvation
Our Age of Malicious Perversion How Truth, Meaning, and Reality Have Been Perverted
The Serpent’s Gnostic Luciferian Elite Oligarchy and Global Powers Demonic Darkness Over the West and America
The Creation Model Versus Modern Pagan Models
2 Corinthians 10:5
What Kind of God Do You Believe In?
2 Cor. 10:5 Destroying 'Scientific' Arguments for False Gods
Evil Spirits, Death of God, Satanic Inversion Pagan America’s Reality of Madness, Demonic Bondage, and Non-Self
Judgment and Wrath The Biblical Explanation for Madness and Evil
The Worldview of Evil Spirits Revolution, Evolution, Materialism, Nihilism, New World Order, and More
Gnosis The Main Expression of Modern Paganized Christianity
America's Transformation Into A Mystical Pantheist God-State What the Death of God Has Wrought
Message to All Wearied Truthtellers: Let Isaiah Be Your Inspiration the Remnant
The Triune God, Supernatural Heaven, Souls, Hell, and Demons Do They Exist?
Teachings of Demons The Aeon of Horus, Reign of God-Men, and End of the Christian God
Revelation 2:7" ...the closing of a steel door – a solemn, cataclysmic slamming of a door."
Systemic Nihilism: End of the Human Race Eternal Damnation of Human Souls
Infernal Apocalyptic Atmosphere Over America Disintegration into nothing
Global and Ruling Class Criminal Elitists Their Ring of Power and Pact with the Spirit of Death and Hell
Blessed is the Man Who Does Not Listen to Falling Stars Who Follow After Damnable Heresies
Darwinism: An Abomination Aborting and Rotting the Church. The falling away and apostasy from the one true and personal Holy Triune Creator God has not ended
The Evil One and the Impenitent Who Receive His Mark“. And the LORD God formed man (and) breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.” Genesis 2:7
The Fall of Mankind, the Religion of Evolution, and the Antichrist. "Pride goes before destruction and a haughty spirit before a fall." Proverbs 16:18
Why Secular Liberals Actively Promote Evil. Mentally Retarded Liberals
Cultural Marxism. The Many Hidden Faces of Living Active Communism
The Devil, the Big Bang, Evolution, Extraterrestrials and the Genesis Problem
The Ascension To Power Of Misogyny. Hatred of Women
Gnostic Chiliastic Evolution: Satan's Alternative Plan of Salvation. The Great Reset
Why Proclaiming Jesus Christ the Word Became Flesh is Offensive. The Technocratic Utopian World Order
The Divine Androgyne, Pandemonium, and the Battle for Our Souls. Satan's Rising New World Order
America's Modern Pagan Oligarchy, Aztec Gods, and Human Sacrifice. Isaiah 57 Revisited
The Peace Symbol: Occult Sign Meaning Death Against Christians. Hatred of Jesus Christ and Christianity
Americas’ Spiritually Desolate, Parasitic, Ruling Class Nihilists. Satan and Powers and Principalities
Global Oligarchy, Forces of Darkness, and the Spirit of Antichrist. Forces Darkness Within Church and State
Darwinism: Idol of mind symbolizing hatred of Triune Creator God. And Logical End of America
Is the World a Computer Simulation in the Minds of Robotic Overlords? Magic Science, Transhumanists, Gnostic Physicists.
Your soul: Cost of admission to the Progressive Pagan City of Man. New Egypt, Babylon, Sodom and Gomorrah
Iron Curtain Over American Minds Progressive Marxisms’ Ideological Utopia
Satan’s New World Order Blueprint and Key Strategy. Christian Capitulation To the Serpent's Consensus Process
Chaos, Breakdown, Demoralization, Destruction: America's New Normal. How it came about and where we are going.
Demonic Darkness: America's Invisible Wave of Evil. Staring into the abyss
Cain, Marxism, Leftism and America's ruling class of 'superior' humans. The dragon they have in common
Modernist Christians in a Man-Centered Universe. Scientific Neutrality and Biblical Deconstruction
The Connection Between Baphomet and Why Researchers Are Creating Interspecies Embryos. 2 Corinthians 10:5
Isaiah 57 revisited: America's progressive pagan elites. Staring into the Abyss
Evolutionary Theism Implies That Christ is Wrong About Creation. "For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?" John 5:46-47
Utopianism. Progressive Utopian Cultural Marxism Poisoning Minds, Churches, Schools, Politics
Acts 17:18-19-modern pagan and pantheist antithesis of the Word of God Ecclesiates 1:9 "What has been is what will be.."
Trotsky's Permanent Revolution From Hell In America. The Soviet System in America
Why Transgenderism Is Being Forced Upon America and Our Children. The Divine Androgyne
The Evil Eye Of Envy: Why Being ‘White’ Is Offensive To Some People. No Vice Worse Than Envy
Absolute Nothingness and Non-Self: The Reigning Worldview of Global Power Elites and Western Ruling Classes
What is Evil? Man-made alternative realities
Cliff Kincaid
Fox Is the Leading "Trans" Channel There are some rather peculiar goings-on at the Fox News Channel.
Trump and His Communist Enemies The Demonized Joe McCarthy Turned Out To Be Accurate In Everything He Claimed: Fox News Is Wrong About Him And About Much More
The Five Stooges on Capitol Hill They Think We Need Even More Doped No-Hopers In The American Intelligence Community
The Biden Doctrine of Demoralization and Defeat By Cliff Kincaid
A Republican Church Committee? Do Pro-American Republicans Even Know Who Frank Church Really Was?
A Top to Bottom Housecleaning of America When we clean our house, my wife has a slogan, “Top to bottom,” meaning you have to target the whole house. The same advice applies to nations.
China's Mass Murder Experiment Phase Two
Bury The Dead And Move On Fuggedaboutit!
9/11 Truth This is the real 9/11 Truth: Our “intelligence” agencies are infiltrated.
Moving Toward Gorbachev’s “World of Communism” It's called the Monster Plot.
The Errors of Russia, the Dupes of Putin, and Another Holocaust Can The Increasingly Faithless Free World Be Saved From Russia?
World War Quietly Conquering A Distracted and Blithely Unaware World. Could it actually be Satan's world war on despised humanity?
Stand With Ukraine Against Russia and China By Cliff Kincaid
Tucker Carlson Carlson Gets His Comeuppance. Tucker's View: It is not moral for us to intervene in support of any nation's (Ukraine's) democratic self-determination and against Soviet military expansion.
The Need for Secure Borders. Have we so easily forgotten what borders are for? Have we forgotten that evil exists in the world? Have we forgotten how to keep apart from this evil?
Can Ukraine Survive Putin and Biden? Can America? Can the Free World? Can Faith in God?
The Soviet Union: Back From The Dead The Return of the Evil Empire
Could an American Surrender be in the offing with Biden at the wheel? Is this not the perfect time for Communism to strike, with Commies now governing America, China and Russia? What would Biden do?
Abortion and Communism. If you ever wondered where all the popular abortion-contraception-sexuality-perversion nuttiness came from, look to Marx's Communist Manifesto.
The Secret Life of Martin Luther King, Jr. A life almost totally at odds with his reputation as a minister of the Gospel.
"We belong to the Church militant; and She is militant because on earth the powers of darkness are ever restless to encompass Her destruction. Not only in the far-off centuries of the early Church, but down through the ages and in this our day, the enemies of God and Christian civilization make bold to attack the Creator’s supreme dominion and sacrosanct human rights.”--Pope Pius XII
"It is not lawful to take the things of others to give to the poor. It is a sin worthy of punishment, not an act deserving a reward, to give away what belongs to others."--St. Francis of Assisi
Truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.—Winston Churchill
The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities.—Ayn Rand
Atheist Genesis:
In the beginning there was nothing, and nothing happened to nothing.And then nothing accidentally exploded and created everything.
And then some bits of everything accidentally encountered other bits of everything and formed some new kinds of everything.
And then some bits of everything accidentally arranged themselves into self-replicating bits of everything.
And then some self-replicating bits of everything accidentally arranged themselves into dinosaurs.
See?
(See The Darwinism Pages)
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