The Church is Rotten to the Core.

Michelle Lobdell, Tuesday, November 10, 2009
mmlobdell@lobdell.myrf.net

(Refer to http://www.newswithviews.com/Kincaid/cliff366.htm (Opens in a New Window), by Cliff Kincaid, for the following remarks.)

Vic, I have challenged you in the past regarding your loyalty to the church, (not your faith). I have yet to see an answer that refutes my position. The church is rotten to the core. See it for what it is. The Vatican is complicit in establishing the New World Order i.e. global slavery. There is just too much evidence for you to ignore. Not your fault - pray for Jesus to come swiftly. God Bless you.



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Date: Thu Nov 12 18:54:11 2009
From: Vic Biorseth
Comment:

Michelle:

Thank you for the blessing.

Forgive me but my memory fails me here; perhaps age is catching up with me. They say the first three things to go are your memory, and I forget the other two. If we conversed via e-mail before I eliminated the old CONTACT ME website option, all those e-mails are now gone forever. There were just too many diverse dialogues going on for me to keep track of. I apologize if I failed to answer something you sent.

Your main point seems to be that the Church is rotten to the core, with at least hints at complicity in a grand conspiracy toward a New World Order. The term New World Order is popular in several variants of Marxism, popular with many current Democrat politicians and spokesmen, and even, believe it or not, with some Islamists. While I tend to reject grand, great conspiracy theories out-of-hand, I do recognize the general thought pattern involved here, and the sheep-like trend of many to favor this positive sounding term.

However, let me make two points. First, the Church is not rotten to the core. Second, she is not deeply involved in any grand New World Order conspiracy. The fact that many Catholics, including even prelates, may be confused or wrong-headed or miss-guided on worldly matters of politics, or any other non-ecclesial issue, does not make the Church evil, nor does it make her any different than any other social group. Civil government and politics are subjects outside of the Depositum Fidei and thus not subject to infallible Church authority. (See the Papal Infallibility page.)

The Church is called to engage culture, and she does that. She has every right to speak in public. The Church is very large, and contains many varied political opinions, as may be expected. Therefore, we may not expect to find every bishop and every pope well versed and in perfect agreement with all points in our particular Constitution, or any other nation’s constitution. Some of them will be Liberals and some of them will be Conservatives and some of them will be mushy, lukewarm, go-with-the-flow no-opinion neutrals. Just like the rest of us.

For the most part, clerics will tend to be more tender hearted than most of us, and the thought of hunger or want in the world will push them more toward the “fairness” and “egalitarian” side of the argument, making them ripe for variants of Marxism. But – remember this – they are Churchmen; they govern ecclesial matters, not civil ones. They only offer opinions on matters of civil government. Their opinions are worthy of respectful consideration.

I took issue with Benedict XVI in the Papal Global Economics page over his encyclical that seemed to me to be encouraging even more Obamunism than we have already experienced.

I would have to say the same thing about the John XXIII encyclical mentioned in your reference link article. If you read it, farther down, after the favorable treatment of the “right” of health care, he speaks of the right to private property, which may be argued to be at the root of all other rights, short of the right to life itself. Thus, the encyclical contains two principles so contradictory as to be irreconcilable.

Rights and Responsibilities come in paired sets. If someone has an automatic right to something, then someone else has a responsibility to satisfy that right. Thus, if I have an absolute right to health care, then some physician has an absolute responsibility to treat me, for free. His ability to provide health care is his property, earned and acquired by him, for him. But, if I have a right to it, then it is my property, regardless of how hard he worked and whatever else it may have cost him to acquire it. It is mine. There goes the right to private property.

And if the state takes from someone simply to give to someone else, that is essentially the same thing. It is most certainly not charity. It is stealing. Good intentions do not change the nature of it; it is still stealing.

But these are merely opinions expressed about worldly politics, by people who do not participate in the game, except as lowly citizens, voters and tax payers. On such topics, we all argue as equals.

I have argued with professors, both lay and clerical, in Catholic teaching institutions about their “official” pro-sodomy and pro-priestess teaching, presented under the authority of an archbishop; see the various Cafeteria Catholic pages. When I know I am right, standing on Scripture and the Catechism, I will argue with anyone, short of the pope, even on matters of faith and morals.

When the topic is bow hunting, or turkey calling, or NASCAR, or musky fishing, or how to change the plugs in my wife’s car, or American politics, I will argue as an equal or even a superior to any cleric. When the topic changes to faith and morals, I will tone it down considerably. And when a pope speaks as teacher on faith and morals, I will shut my mouth and listen. I may even take a knee.

But that’s not what I saw in these particular encyclicals.

I hope I’ve responded adequately; I always enjoy a reasoned argument with an anti-Catholic. What is your religion, and how does it compare to Catholicism? What is Cliff Kincaid’s religion, and how does it compare to Catholicism?

May the Lord bless and keep you; with kind regards,

Vic


Date: Sun Nov 15 03:59:03 2009
From: Thomas
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Comment:

Vic,

How about the bishops just negotiating with Pelosi to get the pro-abortion language out of the health care bill just to get it passed in the House? The bishops are clearly in favor of this bill, which stands to nearly demolish the American economy and with it American liberty as we all recognize it. They love and push for the so called “human right” to universal health care.

Thomas


Date: Sun Nov 15 06:27:55 2009
From: Vic Biorseth
Comment:

Thomas:

Right you are.

However, the bishops are Americans too. They are (and they have every right to be) just as economically ignorant and just as politically stupid as any other Leftist silly utopian idealists. They are (probably) almost universally pro-union, too. They probably favor most Democrat Party ideals. Some of them probably favor the homosexual agenda.

Some very few of them may be involved in political collusion with Marxocrats, just as some few of them may be involved in some form of scandalous activity. But until I see some real evidence, I do not believe they are all involved in any grand conspiracy toward any political New World Order. Nor do I yet believe the Church has failed in her mission.

We have it on the very best authority that she will not fail, and that the very gates of hell will not prevail against her.

Regards,

Vic


Date: Sun Nov 15 10:11:52 2009
From: Thomas
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Vic,

It goes a whole lot deeper than that; look at how our bishops have misused our donations to CCHD for purely political purposes to support Obama and his whole agenda. Why should we donate to ACORN and similar groups? How can you say the whole church is not involved in this?

Thomas


Date: Sun Nov 15 12:11:44 2009
From: Vic Biorseth
Comment:

Thomas:

Apparently this is still a hot topic. I just spoke briefly about it to our guest priest in the sacristy just before Mass this morning, and to another parishioner later. And yesterday, while demonstrating outside another Planned Parenthood book sale, we spoke about it with some fellow demonstrators.

The American bishops – even a majority of American bishops – do not represent the whole of “The Church.” See what I wrote about their previous political actions in the 2008 Political Crisis page; there we saw that they even involved themselves in Saul Alinsky funded organizations, showing themselves to be either Marxists or dupes of Marxists.

Again, these are just a pack of American bishops, and I have taken issue with American bishops in other areas too, as you can see in the various Cafeteria Catholic pages and several other pages. We no longer give to CCHD, and we do not intend to resume giving until we see hard evidence of a renouncing and turning from this Marxist direction. We suggest that you do the same, and write to your bishop to show your displeasure.

Regards,

Vic


Date: Tue Feb 22 22:56:03 2011
From: Keith Richard Radford Jr
Email: digital.media.solutions@gmail.com
Location: Burbank
Comment:

Exorcism and sex?

Let me tell you about my families setting me up for an exorcism and her need for money through political, and religious pandering concerning sex.

I remember living behind a church were Brian Lamb, and a bunch of these Cspan guys used too have a wood shop. At that place of residence my mom thought I needed an exorcist, after playing in the mud the way very young children will sometimes with my uncle who mixed a glass of this red clay in water and told me it was chocolate milk.

After drinking it as he would force me to do thing all the time like the time he made me cut off the limb I was sitting on and the device came out of my shoulder being more powerful and in control I broke out with ring worm all over my body and my mom told me it was writing that could not be understood so she had priests come in from the church.

I guess my Dad did not know that one of the people at the church was in line for being my new dad but that was not in the cards because I guess he felt I was in need of discipline after an accident in the wood shop. I had been check out on the band saw by my grandfather who was a millwright in Arkansas and to do some jobs the blade shield had to be removed. Some kids came in and wanted to use the saw, then got mad that I wanted to warn them to put the guard on and they told me they owned it all and I was not to tell them anything, and after this head strong kid cut his thumb off the other kids said they would tell their fathers it was all my fault, but it was not.

I had a fever of well over a hundred and I was a bloody mess with the infection. The priests came in with outer guys and one had a camera. The priests would throw me across the room well the other snapped a picture. I would fall on furniture and the floor and they would tell me get on the bed, don't get off the bed very loud and when I would crawl back on the bed they would pick me up and throw me over and over again well the other priest would snap another picture and this went on till one guy said we have enough picture and they left me in the blood, mud, and bedding, then my aunt came in with some save that was for ring worm.

She spread the save and kidded me about dying when the rings got to my heart. After getting well I went back to the wood shop and the guys had made me a special shield and gave me my sword which were both made of wood and I had to fight one of the guys in my shorts because I did not want to remove them and the other guy was naked (he know who he is). I was still not up too speed and lost the battle. They then called me the bad guy and this group was supposed to be my gate keeper or something like that appointed by the priests. My Dad did not like them much also but that did not matter much because someone at the church was going to be my new dad till he said no, my mom cried allot, my dad was gone, I healed up, but I still have a case.

Please know that there is nothing any of you can do to make what you and the rest of the ones involved can do to make this my fault. See at the time I was about seven years old. Since then the church has made an effort to kill me, to the extent of trying to pass laws to kill sex offenders.

Come on, keep it up, keep pushing laws that you as a group of very said individuals know have no value. Take me too court so I can own a network. I have met with your staff members in private since along with military personal and others.

Now lets note when this happened I was only a small child being thrown around a room like a rag doll by people that started all this clear back in the late fifty's and the steering by very bad people that think abusing kids to make laws to stop abuse, Ha! these laws are bogus and the fact that they can not kill gays anymore does not justify the use of laws too kill someone set up by them to create some worthless set of laws by a fusion of church and state is wrong and realty designed by them to harm us all.

My case was pragmatic but more than that I know what was done and who was involved making vendetta laws that really have no bases in truth, and are based in lies.

Keith Richard Radford Jr

PSS don't be cowards, let me know you received this e-mail through a response.

It's time to communicate richard.radford@att.net


Date: Thu Feb 24 06:15:05 2011
From: Vic Biorseth
Comment:

Richard:

I am very sorry, but I don’t have the foggiest notion of how to respond to your submission, other than to pray for you. Perhaps someone else out there can help you.

Regards,

Vic


Date: Sun Nov 13 09:27:39 2011
From: Ann Asher
Email: 2luke36@gmail.com
Location: Monterey,ca
Comment:

I think the common error is to attribute to "The Church" what some of her priests, bishops, cardinals, papal councils, do in her name. The recent news headlines "Vatican Calls for Global Financial Authority" proves this point. There does seem to be similar occurrence at the Vatican as you, Vic, highlight to be the case with free wheeling US committees, offices, departments ... where there seems to be lack of oversight. Even though the above incident was followed up with correction that it didn't have Papal Authority and is just the idea of the particular council we would be blind to believe others like them have never been successful in steering the Church in a particular direction. No The Church is not rotten however some of her "highest" members are; we don't abandon the Ark of Salvation - we toss the dissenters in the brig.


Date: Sun Nov 13 09:40:33 2011
From: Ann Asher
Email: 2luke36@gmail.com
Location:
Comment:

FYI Keith Richard Radford Jr.'s statement shows strong signs of deception. Note how he switches into present or future tense when retelling what "happened" to him. We learn at a young age to choose verb tense and pronoun use in microseconds. Richard leaks out that he is making up much of his statements when he switches pronouns, uses present tense where we would expect past tense, and leaves himself out of sentences by failing to speak first person singular. Likely there were some priests who befriended his mom, marital troubles and the incident with the kids in the wood shop, mom may have had some obsession with exorcism. What he says about the priest feigning exorcism is imagined.


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Catholics learn and practice Glossalalia, in the Life In The Spirit seminars. Life in the Spirit seminars, fueling the Catholic Charismatic renewal, bring tongue-speaking "Glossalalia", and being "Slain in the Spirit", to Catholicism.

The website is going on hold for at least the next five weeks. Business calls, and I must respond. Will be traveling, and not taking the laptop this time.

Current Website Status. Still too busy for individual responses to questions, comments & criticisms.

Our 2006 Ohio Voter Guide. The choices are quite clear, and the 2006 Ohio Voter Guide was easy to produce.

On carrying my Lord, Jesus Christ, in my pocket. As a Eucharistic Minister, I am on occasion carrying the Lord Jesus in my pocket. It's a wondrous thing.

A 2006 Christmas and Hanukkah wish. May the Holy Days we celebrate remind us all of who we are, and how we are different from other peoples.

Current Democratic Party platform reveals anti-Semitic streak among Liberals. In their voting, their speechifying, and in the slant of their controlled mainstream media reporting, the current Democratic Party Platform is made clear to all observers.

The "Left", and The DaVinci Code, The Passion, and Cartoons of Mohammed. You can tell a lot about a movement by its public words.  The Passion? "Unreservedly Bad." The DaVinci Code? "Unreservedly Good." Anything to do with Islam? "No Comment."

Who's driving the Health Care bus? Health insurance companies "grading" doctors? Health insurance companies grading doctors: a legitimized conflict of interest. A preparatory step toward the nationalization of the health insurance industry?

On the forced use of medical boiler plate language rather than simple notes. The "little dictators" from insurance companies and government bureaucracies force MDs to use stilted, verbose, medical boiler plate language in their own documentation.

Home For Christmas 2008. Website Getting Active Again

Hydrogen power could be, and should be, the wave of our automotive future. Any move toward hydrogen power is a move toward a cleaner and more efficient fuel, and away from our dangerous dependency on oil.

Thoughts in remembrance of 09/11/2001, five years later. The changing shape of the war, the changing shape of the enemy.

The Jewish Shabbat. Description of Jewish Shabbat (Sabbath) from my Holy Land item supplier.

Kerry lies again, and then lies about his lies, in concert with the SLIMC. There he goes again! Kerry lies again and again about American servicemen and veterans; he just can't help himself.

Kerry's Lies: The Old, Vietnam-Era Anti-War Chickens are Comming Home to Roost. POW Lawsuit Could Force Kerry To Come Clean - by George "Bud" Day, Chairman, Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation.

What's going on with Mel Gibson? Is he really an anti-Semite? I am surprised that Mel Gibson is an alcolholic.  But I am never surprised at any words that come out of the mouth of any drunk.

Still Worrying Over NuVo Consequences. The Holidays have gone by, several days have passed, and the SANE  NuVo Initiative still stands pat.

The Dem's October Surprise involves another flip-flop of their public "standard". The clearly pro-sodomy Party that openly seeks the "Gay" vote goes Victorian for another pre-election October Surprise ploy.

Some Problems with NuVo: the so-called Null-Vote Initiative. A "philosophical" movement aimed at keeping religious conservatives from voting? Seriously? Let me state my problems with NuVo.

Come, let us sit and reason together. Jews and Christians of various stripe and spot can say to each other, 'Come, let us sit and reason together.' But we can't do that with the Moslems.

Regarding SANE works dropping NuVo: Nul Vote Initiative dies with a whimper. If you can't really present a good argument, sit down. On SANE Works dropping the NuVo Initiative: a program that works hard to SOUND pro-American while ACTING to oppose American National Existence.

Even experts grossly underestimate the Marxist zeal of the American Left. The sharp Left turn happened in the Hoover-FDR era, and the Marxism of the American Left has been deepening ever since.

Thinking American, in a nutshell: When one has lots to say, but time is limited. The older I get, the busier I get. Answering multiple questions as a thinking American, but in a hurry.

"We are an Easter People, and Hallelujah is our Song." (John Paul the Great) Our absolutely unique and singular Easter story, and the incredible force with which it struck human history.

Witnessing, grieving and weeping for our dieing culture.  What might it take to call a whole people back from the brink of cultural death?

If we have an inherent right to something, then, who must supply it?  Rights and Responsibilities exist in paired sets; a right does not exist in the absence of a related responsibility.  If indeed we have a right to our job, then, someone must provide it. Who?

So how come we have all these homeless people if our system is so great? The strong "Utopian Idealist" firmly believes that absolute worldly perfection is actually possible.  Therefore, there should never be any such thing as a hungry or homeless person.

Taking a look at Illegal Imigration and Tax Problem solutions. In our view, the minimum wage and income tax have outlived their usefulness, and only contribute to the illegal alien problem. 

First journal / blog entries when the thinking catholic blog first opened up. Notes to readers about what I was doing. 

On-going WebSite work and planned WebPages as of 09/07/2006. Adding items to book store. 

Vic's busted finger status - life goes on. Another busted finger status report, since the original one rolled off of the 50-entry BLOG update records.

Website Status as of 02/05/2009. No more Bookstore; no more Contact Me; no more complexity.

Website Status 03-09-2009. Just a note to bring you up to date on website status 03-09-2009.

Website Status 04/06/2009. Busy driving daily now; most website work will be weekend and as available.

The Plastic Bags and Eco Doom theory: will plastic bags end life as we know it? Plastic Bag and Eco Doom predictions tell us that plastic grocery and garbage bags will still be buried in the land fills and dumps a thousand years from now.  Well … so what?

Farewell Smokey Biorseth; Rest In Peace.  Hello Coal Biorseth; Welcome Home. As we were laying our beloved Smokey Biorseth to rest in his grave beside the lilies, a carbon-copy of Smokey, in younger form, emerged from the lilies.

Honky Biorseth really runs this house. If you want to know what's in any cabinet in the house, just ask Honky Biorseth.

Kill the illegal alien marketplace, and illegal aliens will leave on their own. Why should we "imagine" life with no Mexico? Shouldn't the Mexicans be trying to imagine no such thing as the USA?

More Marxist infiltration of higher education. Public school and the media are not the only places dominated by Marxist thought; even Catholic institutions are infected.

Of Families and Fortunes, and Inheritance Vs. Redistribution. Families and Fortunes are despised by Marxists, because Marxism demonizes the family, demonizes fortunes, and even demonizes profit.

Website Status Update 11/09/10. Just a Website status update; where we are and where we’re going.

Regarding the 2010 Tax Deal Pledge Breaker: Pledge? What Pledge? How can Republican deal makers even face us? We need to hang a Tea Party target on all professional politicians for 2012.

Pray for peace in Jerusalem, and for deliverance of Israel from harm. To pray for peace in Jerusalem is to pray for deliverance from Obama.

A tale of Promised Financial Melt-Down Debt Ceiling Nonsense and Happy Marxists. Everyone, on both sides, believes the Debt Ceiling Nonsense.  Why?

God and Nature: on the Nature of Things, established by the Creator of Things. God and Nature: on man’s Perversion of the Nature of Things, even with the best of intentions.

Our Ohio voter Guide for the 2012 Election. The 2l012 Ohio Voter Guide – The Choices Have Never Been Clearer, or more critical.

Evangelization enters the animal kingdom with the first bear prayer. It is fitting that the first bear prayer would be a prayer of thanksgiving.

Is the Internet down in Lithuania? Sudden loss of Lithanian traffic suggests the internet is down in Lithuania. 

The rise of the Femi Nazi Green Beret, and the decline of military victory. The first Femi Nazi Green Beret will be awarded out of fairness, not excellence.

Food Insurance: Is this stuff really any good? All of us conspiracy-theorizing, global-calamity doomsday-preppers need their Food Insurance.

We just had to try to do Robert Irvine's Plastic Wrapped Baby Back Ribs. Put plastic wrapped baby back ribs in the oven? What? Are you nuts?

Thoughts on the first Eucharist, established by the Last Supper.  The first Eucharist was recognized by the Apostles for what it was on that holiest Holy Thursday.

Tea-Party-Candidates-04-18-2014.  The Constitution is not going to be restored to legal preeminence unless we replace leadership incumbents of BOTH PARTIES.

Ecce homo; Behold the man.  Ecce Homo.  Behold the Innocent Lamb, who takes away the sins of the world.

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