Why the USA should Outlaw Islam.

Vic Biorseth, Thursday, October 07, 2010
http://www.Thinking-Catholic-Strategic-Center.com

Why outlaw Islam? For the same reason we recommended Outlawing Marxism. There is and can be no middle ground between Marxism and the American Declaration of Independence and the American Constitution. There can be no compromise here. There is no room to negotiate. You cannot meet any Marxist notion, such as Equality Via Redistribution, part way and still support the Declaration and the Constitution. The same things can be said of Islam. Being forced to submit and convert, become a specially taxed slave, or be executed, is not compatible with the inalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

America has always been a nation of free-wheeling free-thinkers. We have here legally established rights to freedom of speech, press, religion, assembly, petition, etc. That’s why some of our debates get pretty heated on occasion; over time we become more and more diverse in our thinking and life direction. This diversity of thought has good points and it has bad points, which can be argued well from either standpoint. However, when one ideology arises among the many that seeks and intends to replace all other ideologies and establish itself as the supreme ideology, destroying all opposition, we need to pause and study it. That thinking does not fit the American model, because it would in the future deny the very freedom that protects it today.

Do we want to remain the Constitutional nation as founded, or do we want to become something else? Question: Is our national foundation – the Declaration of Independence – and is our defining legal document – the Constitution – worthy of preserving intact, with all of our citizen rights, or is it time to replace it all with something else?

Now, everybody wants to tip-toe around any notion of outlawing Islam because of the religion clause in Amendment I of the Constitution. However, Islam is not merely a religion; it is a theocracy – a radical combination of Church and state. And, it is not merely a theocracy, but an aggressive, domineering and barbaric theocracy hell bent on forcing the entire world into submission to itself.

What this means is that Islam seeks not only to convert everyone to the religion of Islam, by any means necessary including force; but Islam also seeks to transform every other government and every other legal system into absolute submission to Islam. That necessarily means the end of not only our religion, but the end of our Declaration of Independence and the end of our Constitution, and the end of all of our legislated law. Are you really ready for that?

Islam’s Koran would make a system that is the reverse of all that we are and all that we stand for. Rather than a system of freedom that recognizes the rights of man, those of us who survive would become a conquering horde intent on forcing others into submission to Islam.

I submit that the main theme in the Koran aims at the destruction of America as founded, the negation of the American Declaration of Independence and the negation of the American Constitution and the Bill of Rights. It aims at the elimination of our religion, our ethos and our morality, and at turning us into enslavers and murderers. We talked about the nature of Islam in the The Last Barbarians Webpage.

We must outlaw the Koran just as soon as we have the legislative power to do it. We need legislation in defense of the whole of the American Ideal, including the Declaration and the Constitution. Islam is just flat out anti-American, and it seeks to destroy all that we have and all that we are. The language is just crystal clear. You can see a short-hand version of the more egregious verses in it in the Tolerating Brutal Intolerance Webpage; or, read the Koran itself. Islam doesn’t make any bones about what it intends to do to us.

Jews and Christians, as “people of the book,” are singled out for special treatment. Early verses seem especially peaceful toward us, but later verses are downright brutal. The reason is that Mohammed failed to win the Jews and the Christians over, and then had himself a little hissy-fit and wrote the later and harsher verses. He did that sort of thing a lot. Moslem theology insists that whatever verses he authored later automatically overrode and superseded any previous verses that they conflicted with. Therefore, the brutal verses are the ones that stand.

All good Moslems are to strike off our fingers and/or our heads, to make a wide slaughter among us, to enslave survivors, to torture us with fire and with boiling water, and to make continuous war against all unbelievers until no other religion exists except Islam. There can be no compromise here. This is held to be the irreformable word of Allah. No one is ever going to negotiate those verses out of the Koran.

No one who holds to Islam, in part or in whole, can honestly take and keep an oath of office involving the defense and safeguarding of the Constitution. These are opposite and antagonistic ideologies. Any elected or appointed official whose office is subject to such an oath should step down or be removed from office. No candidate for any such office who is identifiably Moslem should be held to be qualified for the office.

No member of the American armed forces who holds to Islam, in part or in whole, can honestly take and keep the oath of office for entry into the military, because Islam and the Constitution are opposites and antagonists. Any such member of the military should step down or be removed from uniform. No candidate for military service who is identifiably Moslem should be held to be qualified for service.

People should still be free to talk Islam all they want to; but we need to preclude Moslems from office and from military service, and we need to preclude any Islamic goals from American legislation.

No need to burn Korans as any part of outlawing the Koran, any more than there would be a need to burn the Communist Manifesto if we were to Outlaw Marxism. It is the principles and goals contained in the document that are to be outlawed. Libraries and private citizens should be free to keep the Koran so that people can see what it is. What, then, should be outlawed, besides Moslems holding office or entering the military? What restrictions should there be?

  • No building of any new mosques.
  • No repairing or expanding any existing mosques.
  • No praying in public in the Moslem manner.
  • No audible Islamic call to prayer.
  • No immigration of Moslems.
  • No travel, work or student visas granted to Moslems.
  • All Moslems to register as Moslems.
  • All Moslem convicts to be deported after serving any prison sentence.

Islam is just as treacherous, underhanded, sneaky and deceptive as is Marxism in seeking to destroy nations from within. Islam slowly builds little enclaves into larger ones, ultimately claiming a territory that it considers to be under Sharia law, and then its attitude changes and becomes more belligerent to the host country. Islam, like Marxism, is a cancer on society. It declared war on the whole of the non-Islamic world over 1,300 years ago, and it’s taken this long for the non-Islamic world to begin to recognize that simple fact. It needs to be outlawed in America.

That’s my argument; what’s yours?



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Date: Sun Oct 10 10:31:46 2010
From: Mahmoud
Email:
Location: NY NY
Comment:

Victor, this is crazy, intolerant and illegal in America. The constitution forbids it as violation of freedom of religion. You cannot “outlaw” a religion in America. Not all Muslims are terrorists; you need to differentiate between good and bad in any religion. Your religion has bad people also, and you cannot outlaw your religion.


Date: Sun Oct 10 12:43:17 2010
From: Vic Biorseth
Comment:

Mahmoud:

I do not seek to outlaw a religion; what I seek to outlaw is a belligerent and invasive theocracy that is committed to world conquest and religious domination.

US Constitution, Amendment I:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

In simple English, this is a legal prohibition on the government, saying that the government may not impose any particular theology on anyone. Every state in America has an Amendment similar to this on in its State Constitution. It is the law of that land, at the federal level and at the state level. (I have always interpreted it to mean further that the government may not impose the theology of atheism on anyone.)

What Islam proposes to do is impose its theology on America, impose Islamic government over American government, and impose Islamic law over all law in America. In plain English, Islam intends to do exactly what it is specifically prohibited by law from doing by Amendment I, and a whole lot more besides.

The Koran clearly directs all Moslems to make war against us until no other religion exists except Islam (2:139; 8:39; 9:29). Are you prepared to stand there in public with your bare face hanging out and tell me either that that order from Mohammed to make continuous war is not in the Koran, or that the words in the Koran are not held by Moslems to be the incorruptible and irreformable words of Allah?

Do you really think we’re that stupid?

Regards,

Vic


Date: Wed Dec 22 11:22:07 2010
From: justin
Email:
Location: USA
Comment:

I respect you. All Moslems should be executed brutally by the USA government.


Date: Wed Dec 22 18:55:24 2010
From: Vic Biorseth
Comment:

Justin:

That is what a Marxist government might do, and that is what a Moslem government might do. But we are not Marxists, and we are not Moslems. We are Americans, and as Americans we are called to a higher dignity.

Regards,

Vic


Date: Mon Oct 03 06:48:18 2011
From: PeteWaldo
Email:

christian 2 muslims@yahoo.com
Location:
Comment:

You seem to be in direct opposition the Roman Catholic church. The Pope and Vatican Council on Islam:

The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself, merciful and all-powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth (5), who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes great pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting.

Since in the course of centuries not a few quarrels and hostilities have arisen between Christians and Moslems, this Sacred Synod urges all to forget the past and to work sincerely for mutual understanding and to preserve as well as to promote together for the benefit of all mankind social justice and moral welfare, as well as peace and freedom.


Date: Tue Oct 04 05:44:2011 2011
From: Vic Biorseth
Comment:

PeteWaldo: Right.

I believe I may have quoted those very words somewhere, but I don’t remember where. What they describe are the beliefs and behaviors of the vast majority of Moslems who have not yet really gotten into their own faith sufficiently to have encountered the Islamic call to war, conquest, subjugation and murder – see the Refuting Mohammed page. They also refer to the public words, spoken to non-Moslems by many recognized leaders and spokesmen of Islam. But they do not reflect the more private words of those same men spoken to other Moslems strictly within the house of Islam.

The leadership of Islam thinks we are too stupid to figure out what they intend to do to us, and they appear to be largely correct. “We come in peace” is what they say in English to Western man. But the message is reversed when spoken in Arabic to followers in the Mosques and elsewhere in the house of Islam. If Islam were open, honest and decent, as we understand that word, it would look us in the eye and tell us of its true intentions toward us; but that is not the case. Islam is treacherous and deceitful, just like Marxism. The peaceful Moslem leader holds a sword behind his back.

Ranking clerics, holders of high office, political candidates and all recognized “leaders” in the West seem to feel the need to tip-toe around the issue and speak kindly to and of Islam, to be overly respectful and super-sensitive to the “feelings” of Moslems, and to avoid, with great effort, even discussing the violent history, the violent scripture and the quite consistent violent preaching of Islam. In fact, some of them will publicly deny it.

But I am no cleric, I am no office holder and I am no politician; I treat the issue straight up, directly and openly. It’s right there in front of you in black and white. History is still available to the researcher, despite the efforts of those who would erase it or re-write it. The Koran and the Haddith are available for your perusal.

Islam intends to rule all, in religion and in civil law, pure and simple.

Regards,

Vic


Date: Thu Oct 20 07:43:36 2011
From: PeteWaldo
Email:
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Comment:

Dear Vic,

Thanks so much for the kind favor of your reply. You wrote: "What they describe are the beliefs and behaviors of the vast majority of Moslems....

They also refer to the public words, spoken to non-Moslems by many recognized leaders and spokesmen of Islam."

The Vatican Council is not ignorant to what the Quran and Hadith actually say. Nor did they simply parrot Islam's ignorant minions, or taqiyyah practitioners, but instead went so tragically far beyond that.

Read it again.

"They adore the one God... they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees..."

Now you and I know that couldn't be more UNTRUE, since Muhammad, and thus all of his followers, profess the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel.

Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus... but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them... for of a surety they killed him not"

Indeed the most egregious - and only unpardonable - sin in Muhammad's cult is committed when a Muslim confesses that Jesus is the Son of God.

Sura 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!

1Jo 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

2Jo 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

Surah 9.29 Fight those who believe not in Allah... (even if they are) of the People of the Book... 30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah... Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

1 John 2:22 ... He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father:...

That's 1.5 billion antichrists in the world today - just in Islam - not even counting atheists and other antichrists! The reward?

Jhn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where THE BEAST and THE FALSE PROPHET [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

The Pope and Vatican council didn't say "Muslims BELIEVE they worship the one true God..." or "Muslims BELIEVE they submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees..."

So what they wrote couldn't be more UNTRUE, of which I thought exposing UNTRUTH is the purpose of your site.

What if instead of the cowardly declarations above - and the pope literally kissing the antichrist Quran and even praying in a mosque that points to the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca, in an act of reconciliation to apologize for the TRUTH that was spoken by one of their own clergy - what if they had offered a genuine Christian response instead?

What if the pope and Vatican council had stood up for Jesus instead, and declared Islam to profess the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, so all those deluded people that you suggested that call themselves Muslims but remain in abject ignorance to their own religion, could have had perhaps their first opportunity to be shown the truth?

The Pope was in the enviable position of being in the bully pulpit, with the perfect opportunity to begin a massive global dialogue, not unlike when Ronald Reagan went against all of the appeasing liberals and media elite and TOLD THE TRUTH, that the Soviet Union was indeed an EVIL EMPIRE.

If the Pope had done the same, how many Muslims do you think might have gotten that first spark of cognitive dissonance, and the first step to a new heart?

It need not be complicated. It could have been done very easily through the single Quran verse that REJECTS the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Your brother in Christ Jesus,

Pete

(if you could put a couple spaces and maybe 2 lines in my email address in the prior post, I would appreciate it, so internet spiders and bots can't catalog it. Thanks a lot bro.


Date: Fri Oct 21 05:50:30 2011
From: Vic Biorseth
Comment:

PeteWaldo:

You are quite correct in what you say. I have disagreed with the Pope before, as shown in The Pope On Globalism page in this site. Let me make three points regarding “the Pope and the Vatican”:

  1. The Pope is human and is as free as the rest of us to err on matters outside the Deposit of Faith laid down by our Lord and His Apostles. He is kept from error only when speaking on matters of faith and morals.
  2. The false religion of Islam was not invented until multiple centuries after the death of the last Apostle. The Pope may be ignorant of the true nature of Islam, or, more likely, he may fear for the peace of the world. Or some combination of the two.
  3. The Pope is in a delicate position of being a peaceful global diplomat facing a blood-thirsty menace that cannot take being hit in the face with the Truth without reacting with violence.

Regarding the Evil Empire of the Soviet Union, John Paul the Great did indeed do the same. He went into the belly of the beast, preaching the Gospel on Communist ground while it was still Communist. It was John Paul the Great just as much as it was Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher who brought down the Soviet Union.

That being said, I still agree with you. The Pope should make a brief, clear and simple statement regarding the true nature of Islam.

Regards,

Vic


Date: Thu Dec 15 21:40:11 2011
From: Dwayne M.
Email:
Location: Rochester NY
Comment:

The Conservative’s Forum says that Islam is not a religion at all, and that you are mistaken saying Islam is a religion. You should go there and participate.


Date: Fri Dec 16 06:43:21 2011
From: Vic Biorseth
Comment:

Dwayne:

I don’t have a whole lot of free time these days, and what little I have is spent right here keeping up with this website. I think at this point, all these centuries after Mohammed, with upwards of a billion practitioners in the world, it is rather foolish to not recognize Islam as a religion. It may be a false religion, but it is nevertheless a recognized world religion, with hordes of convinced followers.

The important thing about Islam is that it is not merely a religion; it is also a theocracy, which is to say, a radical combination of Church and state. And it is not merely a theocracy, but an aggressive expansionist theocracy that seeks to impose itself on all others, by force if necessary. The whole mission of Islam is to grow itself at the expense of the non-Islamic world.

Regards,

Vic


Date: Thu Aug 09 05:23:10 2012
From: Link Travella
Email: linktravella@hotmail.com
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Comment:

The right to freedom of religion in the US Constitution was put there UNDER THE ASSUMPTION that all religions were BENIGN. "Islam" is NOT "benign"; it promotes "SHARIA LAW", and the MURDER OF and LYING TO "infidels". Very simply, our "rights" DO NOT SUPERCEDE US LAW, or PUBLIC SAFETY; you can't promote "Sharia Law" and the MURDER of "infidels" and hide behind freedom of religion anymore than you can yell "fire!" in a crowded theatre and hide behind freedom of speech. Therefore, "Islam" does NOT fall under the Constitutional protection of "religion". ALL Muslims in the United States should be given the choice between SELF or FORCED DEPORTATION to a Muslim country, or PROSECUTION under EXISTING "RICO" STATUTES. Muslims should not be allowed to immigrate into the US. "Mosques" should be shut down and CONFISCATED the same as the property of DRUG DEALERS and other CRIMINALS. Unfortunately, this isn't going to happen; the "Islamization" of the US IS WELL UNDERWAY. Barry Soetoro (aka "Barrack Obamma") IS A MUSLIM who is LYING (according to the Koran). May the God of Israel have mercy on us. Jesus IS GOD; "Allah" is a fiction.


Date: Thu Aug 09 05:44:26 2012
From: Vic Biorseth
Comment:

Link:

Actually, as we said in the Refuting Separation of Church and State page, freedom of religion was put into the Constitution to keep Congress from establishing any official national religion, and to not allow Congress to prevent any of the thirteen Colonies from freely worshiping in accordance with the Christian denominations already pre-established as official legal state religions in each Colony, and to allow any citizen to worship or “exercise” in any Christian denomination, in any Colony.

It said (and says) nothing about any “religion” that is also another form of government and another form of law that would superimpose itself over us and over our Constitution. I no longer waste time and effort arguing about Sharia Law, or variants of it, or anything else that is extra-Koranic. It is enough for me that the Koran itself expressly calls for us all to be converted to Islam, subjugated to Islamic law, or killed. That’s what the Koran tells its readers to do to us.

Therefore, I find no disagreement with what you say, as ugly as it appears on its face. We cannot have any new law superimposed over our Constitution, which is intended to be the supreme law of the land. Islam itself is absolutely intolerant of the other. Our own toleration of Islam among us might be suicidal. It might be a bit easier to tolerate Islam over there somewhere, far away from our shores.

Regards,

Vic


Date: Fri Aug 17 10:33:05 2012
From: Robert D.
Email: dosvsoperator@yahoo.com
Location: St. Louis/MO/United States
Comment:

Bottom line: if Islam can be banned, so can Christianity and Judaism. Both of these have sworn enemies in this country and indeed in the West - to say nothing of the rest of the world. Do we really want to go there?


Date: Fri Aug 17 19:16:31 2012
From: Vic Biorseth
Comment:

Robert:

Not true.

Neither Christianity nor Judaism seeks to overthrow or replace the supreme law of our land, or of any other land. Only Islam seeks to dominate us, and the world. That is Islam’s whole purpose for being.

See the Refuting Mohammed page.

Regards,

Vic


Date: Sun Aug 19 13:15:09 2012
From: You people are insane
Email:
Location:
Comment:

America will not be overrun with Islam. If you haven't noticed, we have already been under the control of major religion- CHRISTIANITY. Christian ideals have found their way into politics to such an extent that many of our now "major issues" have Christian ties; abortion, same-sex marriage, etc. How do you look passed these hypocrisies? When will we finally move passed these insignificant issues provoked by the religious right? When will we solve real problems and move towards a brighter, more free future?


Date: Mon Aug 20 05:55:24 2012
From: Vic Biorseth
Comment:

You People …

You haven’t been paying attention. Over-running the world is the ultimate goal of Islam, by use of force. There is a world of difference between the methods of Christian evangelization and Moslem conquest.

Maybe you didn’t notice, but America started out a Christian nation and remains a Christian nation. It is our common Judao-Christian Ethos that makes of us a “good people” as Tocqueville described us, and it is that ethos that provides our common moral code, from which we develop our representative civil law.

If our Judao-Christian morality affects such issues as abortion, same sex marriage, etc., that is not hypocrisy; that is as it should be. It is not Christianity, but religions such as atheism and Islam that seeks to impose its will against the Christian majority.

I know how much you despise Jesus Christ, Christianity and Christians in general, but if you want to live among us you’re just going to have to get over it, and deal with us on our terms, not yours. I know how much you love abortion, same sex marriage, etc., but federal law has no constitutional business addressing such issues, regardless of how badly you wish to impose your immoral will on all the rest of us through civil law. Here, states and local jurisdictions make their own laws in accordance with community standards. If you don’t like it where you live, you can move.

If you truly believe that abortion, same sex marriage, etc., are the marks of a brighter, more free future, then your ultimate destination is hell. You may enjoy the journey, but not the destination.

Regards,

Vic


Note:

Thursday, September 27, 2012

As part of the ongoing effort to upgrade this whole website, upgraded this webpage to the new BB 2.0 - SBI! 3.0 release and to make use of the new reusable code features.
An earlier phase of this major conversion corrupted or adversely affected some fonts, alignments, quotes and tables in the previously published webpages. Not to worry; this phase is converting them all, one by one. Eventually, every webpage on this site will have the same look and feel as this one.
LOVE this new release!

Regards,

Vic


Date: Thu Sep 27 06:58:01 2012
From: Patriot1
Email:
Location:
Comment:

Vic,

In the right column of this very page you have a link called “Refuting Mohammed and his ideology of conquest masquerading as a religion” and you further describe Mohammed as “ … little more than a popular fraud among pagans.”

And yet here you call it a religion.

Why?


Date: Thu Sep 27 07:12:43 2012
From: Vic Biorseth
Comment:

Patriot1:

I do not consider Islam to be a proper religion, or a valid religion, or anything other than a fraud. However, with over a billion followers, the vast majority of whom actually think they are following a religion, and probably a majority of the non-Islamic world who also (mistakenly) think Islam is a real religion, it is just pointless to debate the point in almost any public arena. No matter what political, theatrical or other kind of podium you could speak from, you will be ignored or written off as a nut case if you try to convince the world of the invalidity of Islam as a religion.

So what I try to do is emphasize the theocratic nature of it, and emphasize that Islam is a form of government, antagonistic to every other form of government. Islam is a legal system, antagonistic to every other form of legal system. Islam seeks to impose itself on the entire world, by force, and that is what needs to be recognized.

I guess I just hit a point where it seems a complete waste of effort to try to convince the world that Islam is not a real religion. But the threat must be recognized and dealt with.

The non-Islamic world needs to pay attention to what Islam intends to do to them, regardless of their religion or lack of religion. Islam has morphed into an ideology with a plan. Like Marxism, the real Islamic plan is universal.

Regards,

Vic


Date:  Sun May 19 11:58:43 2013
From:  i<3muslims
Email:   
Location:  
Comment: 

i read this article and felt sick, this is disgusting. every religion and human is equal, stop labelling and start loving. God did not said 'love your neighbor as yourself' which is what i shall do, rather that spreading racist hate.


Date:  Mon May 20 06:16:03 2013
From:  Vic Biorseth
Comment:  

i<3muslims:

If you really believe that all religions and all humans are equal then you are a fool.  I know how much you despise Caucasians, but that doesn't make Caucasians racist; rather, it makes you a racist.  If you want to go spread Christian love throughout the world, start out in Egypt, where most Christians are fleeing for their lives.  Go show the Moslems your Christian love and see how they respond.  I'll wait here.  Let me know how that turns out for you. 

Regards,

Vic


Date:  Thu May 30 06:22:11 2013
From:  Stan
Email:   
Location:  
Comment: 

Apparently Thomas Jefferson liked Islam since he wrote an English version of the Qu'ran.  If he were to apply for citizenship today, let alone run for President, would you support him?


Date:  Thu May 30 09:07:24 2013
From:  Vic Biorseth
Comment:  

Stan:

You have it backwards, my friend.  Jefferson feared and despised Islam; that's why he had the Koran published in English; it was to be a warning to all who spoke English. 

Here's what I said about it in The Way, The Truth and The Life:

Thomas Jefferson knew that Islam was the mortal enemy of all of Christendom, and all of Western Civilization, and all of the non-Islamic world, and he knew it way back in the 18th century, for heaven's sake.  Don't look now, but it is the 21st century, and we are in need of learning this terrible lesson all over again.  Jefferson was so alarmed by what he learned of Islam that he personally published and distributed an English translation of the Koran, as a warning to all who spoke English, about what these people intended to do to us. 

Are we all deaf, dumb and blind? 

Are we now so semi-literate that we cannot read with understanding? 

Sometimes I feel like I'm flogging a dead horse. 

Go back and study America's very first war after gaining independence.  You might be surprised. 

Regards,

Vic


Date:  Tue Dec 10 18:18:15 2013
From:  Captain
Email:   camptaisdnd@aol.com
Location:  New York
Comment: 

Can I bring back an ancient religion like that practiced by the Aztecs which includes Human Sacrifice? And practice it in the US?

It's My religion and I can practice it legally in America!

But let's talk about ISLAM...

It's a sick cult of uneducated, lobotomized idiots...who KILL those who don't follow their cult!

"Behead Those Who Insult The Prophet" signs have been carried by Muslims.
When was the last time you saw ANY OTHER RELIGION carry such signs threatening:

Decapitation for not following their One True Belief System?
Christians? Jews? Buddhists? Taosists? Atheists? Agnostics? Scientologists? UFO Cults?

NOT ONE!


Date:  Wed Dec 11 05:34:11 2013
From:  Vic Biorseth
Comment:  

Captain:

Amen.

(To see what the Captain is talking about, see the Democracy V. Open-Society page.) 

Regards,

Vic


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Laying out the contemporary American political factions and their positions, as compared to the Founding Principles in the Declaration, and the Constituting Principles in the Constitution.  America is the first nation in world history designed to be without classes - no nobility, no royalty, no aristocracy - all men stand equal before the law. 

American Politics. Examination of American Political Ideologies going into the 2012 Election and beyond.

The contemporary conservative American forum out-classes modern journalism. Wading through the bloggosphere pays off when one finds a really good conservative American forum, blog or website.

Fixed Pegs versus Variable Reality: Salvation versus Doom. Fixed Pegs versus Variable Reality describes the dichotomy between objective truth and human imaginings.

Returning to American Founding Principles offers a return to national salvation. American Founding Principles are reawakened by the mortal threat to the nation posed by Obamunism.

Return to American Constitutional Principles is the path to national salvation. American Constitutional Principles are reawakened by the mortal threat to the nation posed by Obamunism.

American Constitutional Doom: Our own political process is destroying us. American Constitutional Doom made inevitable by parasitic enemies within America.

The Democracy-Open Society problem: Does it spell doom for Democracy? The "Redirection" and the increasingly Open Society born of Democracy. Inevitable chaos?

Warning all bourgeoisie: Obama will destroy the middle class. Take fair warning all bourgeoisie, i.e., members of our vast middle class: the Marxists despise you and intend to conquer you once and for all.

In support of American Nationalism and American Patriotism. American Nationalism and American Patriotism have been demonized long enough.

Are our federal bureaucracies all malignant outgrowths of Marxism? Any extra-Constitutional government agency is likely to be a malignant outgrowth of Marxism.

Three fatal oversights of the top conservative cognizanti: Glenn, Rush and Sean. Beck, Limbaugh and Hannity are on the right track, but just nibbling around the edges of who the enemy is.

It’s Liberty versus Marxism and Islam, which cannot coexist with Liberty. Liberty versus Marxism and Islam: the epic contest of this historic era.

Can we outlaw Islam in the USA and still be a free thinking society? I say we can and should outlaw any ideology that seeks the elimination of Constitutional America.

Can we outlaw Marxism in the USA and still be a free thinking society? I say we can and should outlaw any ideology that seeks the elimination of Constitutional America.

Our argument supporting the Fair Tax as a sensible and practical Tax Revolution. Fair Tax presents the possibility of a real, popular, voter-supported, tax payer supported, grass-roots supported Revolution in America, and a radical change for the better.

Fasttrack Fairtax: Stop income tax until repeal of Amendment XVI. Fasttrack Fairtax: Legislate to not collect income tax and pass FairTax.

Atheizing America - we sit, seemingly mesmerized, merely watching it happen. Among all Leftist agendas, the atheizing America agenda is the one we seem to notice the least. Like deer in the headlights, we just stand there and watch.

Current American Political Landscape: Our Two Parties and their Positions. The Thinking Catholic looks at Issues and Parties for the Catholic American Thinker.

Against diversity for the sake of diversity. Why do Marxists always seek more? Our argument against diversity for the sake of diversity, which weakens and ultimately replaces ideology and ethos.

Opposing affirmative action / equal opportunity programs as racist. Affirmative action (racial preference) requires racial exclusion, which is, definitively, racism.

Are we really a racist culture, or are our blacks just a bunch of crybabies? If America has produced more black self-made millionaires than any or all other nations, then, how is it that America is seen to be a racist nation?

New "race and racism" thread begun by Stephen from VT. On race and racism: the ever changing definition and generic usage of the word "racism."

Athenaeum courses consistently taught that the early Church condoned slavery. This teaching is clearly false. Yet the Athenaeum of Ohio LPMP program, in multiple courses, officially taught that the Church "changed" its teaching on slavery.

Toward a definition of a distinct American People: American National Existence. What makes us a distinct American People? The way we look? Or is it someing inside us, that defines American national existence?

Argument against National Health Care, which is, in fact, Socialized Medicine. National Heath Care equals Socialized Medicine, pure and simple. Medical Practice is beyond the scope of government and not what our government is constituted to do.

It's The American Ideal and our Constitutional Government Vs the Global Village. This election, alone, is unlikely to completely undo America, as a nation; but it may work in that direction. It is of vital importance to you as an American.

Anti-American Politics, pure and simple, describe Democrat Party strategy. Anti-American Politics are practiced by all Leftists. Marxism, at any level, is antithetical to the very idea of America. To be Marxist is to be an anti-American.

Argument Against the Anti-American UN: Why do we support such an antagonist? The staunchly anti-American UN has a major goal involving world governance, and America is in the way of that effort.

My anti anti-American arguments are attacks on falsehoods, in support of truth. American Communists hide their true identity and disguise themselves as anti anti-Communists. Using their playbook, I hereby identify myself as an anti anti-American.

The anti intellectual sentiment: Where does it come from? Marxist Academia and the Anti-Intellectual Sentiment.

Boehner’s Folly: will it doom Constitutional America? House Leadership and Boehner’s Folly purposely fumbled and turned over the ball on the one yard line.

Boycott the airlines until they stop the groping and begin profiling. Boycott the airlines; if you can’t go on a company plane or drive, don’t go at all.

Catastrophic Spending: Change You Can Believe In. The most dangerous Change in all of Obamunism is Catastrophic Spending.

The Global Village concept seeks to replace National Sovereignty by default. Marxian "Global Village-ism" makes major inroads among outlaws, and among elitist intellectuals.

We argue against income minimums and caps, and for a free and private market. Income minimums and caps are Marxism’s “moral” bait to gain popular support for Socialism on the path to typical Marxist absolute dictatorship.

True, the world oil supply is limited; but, so are the stars in the universe. "The world oil supply is cruising toward depletion" is the Chicken-Little call from the Left. But it ain't necessarily so.

Marxists and Moslems: The Last Barbarians. The last barbarians not yet converted or conquered by Western civilization are Marxists and Moslems.

Our argument against fads, fashions, popular trends and herd instinct. If speaking against fads makes me square, un-cool or un-hip, then so be it. All fads are, in microcosm, expressions of rebellion against tradition.

If an American Redirection is underway; we all need to look at it. Reviewing some implications of the newly coined Science / Democracy Obversion theory underlying the new American Redirection.

Refuting Separation of Church and State as a Constitutional Principle. If Separation of Church and State cannot be found in our Constitution, what makes it a Constitutional Principle? Nothing. It is NOT a Constitutional Principle.

Of the four Republican candidates left standing, only Santorum gets it. Romney? No. Gingrich? No. Paul? No. Only Santorum gets it.

Definition of Capitalism: Economic Organization based on Private Property. Any true definition of Capitalism must state that it is purely an Economic system, not a Government system, and it works most efficiently and profitably under Representative Government.

God and Nature: on the Nature of Things, established by the Creator of Things. on man’s Perversion of the Nature of Things, even with the best of intentions.

Going whole-Hog on American Constitutional Restoration. It's all or nothing, now. If we don't go whole-hog on Constitutional Restoration, the USA is history.

Introducing Glenn Beck Progressivism, and the depth of the hidden movement.  Glenn Beck Progressivism: the unseen and unrecognized advance of Marxism. 


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And then nothing accidentally exploded and created everything.
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Torn and tattered, bruised and battered, but still flying high.

General Commentary Pages
Various unrelated topics that stirred thought and provoked writing (or quoting) at one time or another. The Everything Else Bucket.  

Work at home jobs that have had me. A long, costly and unsuccessful run at work from home jobs that didn't work for us.

Truth versus Agenda addresses the simplest of problems greatly complexified. Truth versus Agenda examines the contest between reality and its opposition.

Vic has Iron Weights for sale; Mama says they have to go. Lots of iron weights for sale; all have to go at once, in one sale.

The challenge describes Capitalism as illusory and Marxism as solid. The mixture of religion just adds to the confusion of all good realists.

Indifferentism and Moral Relativism eats away at Catholic Culture. Catholicism stands against Indifferentism. Where do you stand?

My poor old truck is again starting to look like a poor old truck. After half-a-million miles, we're now approaching another decision time; another paint job, or a new truck.

Battle Line: Where the advancing secular army meets Judeo-Christian moral norms. The Secular Position (or Agenda) involves Proactive, Aggressive Anti-Theism, and not merely "neutral" Atheism.

A return to the American Ideal means a severe reduction in Government. To return to positive growth and progress means, necessarily, purging our nation from all Marxist-Socialist philosophical influence and a return to the American Ideal.

Why this hatred of Palin? What galls modern women of the Left about Sarah Palin? The blind hatred of Palin we’re seeing expressed is not merely because of hatred and intolerance of the pro-life religious moral standard.

A Palin Parker Ticket? My Dream Candidates for 2012. Why a Palin Parker ticket is better than any professional politician Republican ticket you can come up with for 2012.

Elitism Vs Palinism: Why the Left and the Elites Loath and Fear Sarah Palin. It isn’t just Marxism Vs Palinism; it’s also established intellectual elitism vs Palinism. The elite need someone to look down upon.

How is it that opposing amnesty for millions of illegal aliens is "arrogant"? If my pro-Catholic, pro-American, anti-alternative-ethos position is "arrogant," then, exactly what is the position of those who claim superiority or even equality with it?

Here we see Bush family class captured in a simple private citizen’s photo. George W. (and Mrs.) Bush quietly demonstrate Bush family class without hoopla or fanfare.

Marxists love crisis, and they love an oil spill crisis most of all. Marxists even create and drive crisis. Their favorite crisis of all must be the Oil Spill Crisis, which is even better than a Banking Crisis.

American Military Assault Weapons originally intended in the 2nd Amendment. To miss the point of the 2nd Amendment is to miss the point of the whole Constitution.

For God and Country – More Thoughts on America, and on National Existence. For God and Country: Comparisons of martyrdom and heroism, Sovereign Nationhood Vs. Internationalism, distinct people-hood Vs. the Global Village, and Godliness Vs. godlessness.

The Godless Left leads the young and naive to their utopian Hell. For an honest comparison of the effects on youth, we need to look to the history of the Godless Left versus the Religious Right.

The Rabbi Meir Kahane Open Letter to the World is a must read. No decent world history course is complete without the Rabbi Meir Kahane Open Letter to the World.

Aleksandr I.Solzhenitsyn warns the American Worker and American organized labor. Solzhenitsyn speaks to us as a worker from the “Worker’s Paradise” of Communism; words of warning for all who understand the meaning of the word Liberty.

World Revolution returns with a vengeance: the rebirth of Marxism. Marxist world revolution returns, and faces far less opposition than in 1848 or the period between the Great Wars.

Our argument against public despair, hopelessness and pessimism re the future. Despair is a mortal sin, the opposite of the virtue of hope; it is a sin unto the death of the soul, a repudiation and rejection of God’s grace.

On Threats to America's National Existence. A look at the nature of our national existence, what makes us America, physical threats to that, and the possibility of just going out of existence.

On the ethics of language: English dictionary Vs. Political-Correctness taboos. Language evolves, yet morals are (or should be) fixed. This poses questions re the ethics of language.

Thinking Catholic direction: threats to America, Church, Ethos, even History. The Thinking Catholic Direction is multi-faceted, facing threats to American National Existence, Catholic Liturgy, our common Guiding Ethos - emphasis changes to meet the threat of the moment.

Catholics learn and practice Glossalalia, in the Life In The Spirit seminars. Life in the Spirit seminars, fueling the Catholic Charismatic renewal, bring tongue-speaking "Glossalalia", and being "Slain in the Spirit", to Catholicism.

The website is going on hold for at least the next five weeks. Business calls, and I must respond. Will be traveling, and not taking the laptop this time.

Current Website Status. Still too busy for individual responses to questions, comments & criticisms.

Our 2006 Ohio Voter Guide. The choices are quite clear, and the 2006 Ohio Voter Guide was easy to produce.

On carrying my Lord, Jesus Christ, in my pocket. As a Eucharistic Minister, I am on occasion carrying the Lord Jesus in my pocket. It's a wondrous thing.

A 2006 Christmas and Hanukkah wish. May the Holy Days we celebrate remind us all of who we are, and how we are different from other peoples.

Current Democratic Party platform reveals anti-Semitic streak among Liberals. In their voting, their speechifying, and in the slant of their controlled mainstream media reporting, the current Democratic Party Platform is made clear to all observers.

The "Left", and The DaVinci Code, The Passion, and Cartoons of Mohammed. You can tell a lot about a movement by its public words.  The Passion? "Unreservedly Bad." The DaVinci Code? "Unreservedly Good." Anything to do with Islam? "No Comment."

Who's driving the Health Care bus? Health insurance companies "grading" doctors? Health insurance companies grading doctors: a legitimized conflict of interest. A preparatory step toward the nationalization of the health insurance industry?

On the forced use of medical boiler plate language rather than simple notes. The "little dictators" from insurance companies and government bureaucracies force MDs to use stilted, verbose, medical boiler plate language in their own documentation.

Home For Christmas 2008. Website Getting Active Again

Hydrogen power could be, and should be, the wave of our automotive future. Any move toward hydrogen power is a move toward a cleaner and more efficient fuel, and away from our dangerous dependency on oil.

Thoughts in remembrance of 09/11/2001, five years later. The changing shape of the war, the changing shape of the enemy.

The Jewish Shabbat. Description of Jewish Shabbat (Sabbath) from my Holy Land item supplier.

Kerry lies again, and then lies about his lies, in concert with the SLIMC. There he goes again! Kerry lies again and again about American servicemen and veterans; he just can't help himself.

Kerry's Lies: The Old, Vietnam-Era Anti-War Chickens are Comming Home to Roost. POW Lawsuit Could Force Kerry To Come Clean - by George "Bud" Day, Chairman, Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation.

What's going on with Mel Gibson? Is he really an anti-Semite? I am surprised that Mel Gibson is an alcolholic.  But I am never surprised at any words that come out of the mouth of any drunk.

Still Worrying Over NuVo Consequences. The Holidays have gone by, several days have passed, and the SANE  NuVo Initiative still stands pat.

The Dem's October Surprise involves another flip-flop of their public "standard". The clearly pro-sodomy Party that openly seeks the "Gay" vote goes Victorian for another pre-election October Surprise ploy.

Some Problems with NuVo: the so-called Null-Vote Initiative. A "philosophical" movement aimed at keeping religious conservatives from voting? Seriously? Let me state my problems with NuVo.

Come, let us sit and reason together. Jews and Christians of various stripe and spot can say to each other, 'Come, let us sit and reason together.' But we can't do that with the Moslems.

Regarding SANE works dropping NuVo: Nul Vote Initiative dies with a whimper. If you can't really present a good argument, sit down. On SANE Works dropping the NuVo Initiative: a program that works hard to SOUND pro-American while ACTING to oppose American National Existence.

Even experts grossly underestimate the Marxist zeal of the American Left. The sharp Left turn happened in the Hoover-FDR era, and the Marxism of the American Left has been deepening ever since.

Thinking American, in a nutshell: When one has lots to say, but time is limited. The older I get, the busier I get. Answering multiple questions as a thinking American, but in a hurry.

"We are an Easter People, and Hallelujah is our Song." (John Paul the Great) Our absolutely unique and singular Easter story, and the incredible force with which it struck human history.

Witnessing, grieving and weeping for our dieing culture.  What might it take to call a whole people back from the brink of cultural death?

If we have an inherent right to something, then, who must supply it?  Rights and Responsibilities exist in paired sets; a right does not exist in the absence of a related responsibility.  If indeed we have a right to our job, then, someone must provide it. Who?

So how come we have all these homeless people if our system is so great? The strong "Utopian Idealist" firmly believes that absolute worldly perfection is actually possible.  Therefore, there should never be any such thing as a hungry or homeless person.

Taking a look at Illegal Imigration and Tax Problem solutions. In our view, the minimum wage and income tax have outlived their usefulness, and only contribute to the illegal alien problem. 

First journal / blog entries when the thinking catholic blog first opened up. Notes to readers about what I was doing. 

On-going WebSite work and planned WebPages as of 09/07/2006. Adding items to book store. 

Vic's busted finger status - life goes on. Another busted finger status report, since the original one rolled off of the 50-entry BLOG update records.

Website Status as of 02/05/2009. No more Bookstore; no more Contact Me; no more complexity.

Website Status 03-09-2009. Just a note to bring you up to date on website status 03-09-2009.

Website Status 04/06/2009. Busy driving daily now; most website work will be weekend and as available.

The Plastic Bags and Eco Doom theory: will plastic bags end life as we know it? Plastic Bag and Eco Doom predictions tell us that plastic grocery and garbage bags will still be buried in the land fills and dumps a thousand years from now.  Well … so what?

Farewell Smokey Biorseth; Rest In Peace.  Hello Coal Biorseth; Welcome Home. As we were laying our beloved Smokey Biorseth to rest in his grave beside the lilies, a carbon-copy of Smokey, in younger form, emerged from the lilies.

Honky Biorseth really runs this house. If you want to know what's in any cabinet in the house, just ask Honky Biorseth.

Kill the illegal alien marketplace, and illegal aliens will leave on their own. Why should we "imagine" life with no Mexico? Shouldn't the Mexicans be trying to imagine no such thing as the USA?

More Marxist infiltration of higher education. Public school and the media are not the only places dominated by Marxist thought; even Catholic institutions are infected.

Of Families and Fortunes, and Inheritance Vs. Redistribution. Families and Fortunes are despised by Marxists, because Marxism demonizes the family, demonizes fortunes, and even demonizes profit.

Website Status Update 11/09/10. Just a Website status update; where we are and where we’re going.

Regarding the 2010 Tax Deal Pledge Breaker: Pledge? What Pledge? How can Republican deal makers even face us? We need to hang a Tea Party target on all professional politicians for 2012.

Pray for peace in Jerusalem, and for deliverance of Israel from harm. To pray for peace in Jerusalem is to pray for deliverance from Obama.

A tale of Promised Financial Melt-Down Debt Ceiling Nonsense and Happy Marxists. Everyone, on both sides, believes the Debt Ceiling Nonsense.  Why?

God and Nature: on the Nature of Things, established by the Creator of Things. God and Nature: on man’s Perversion of the Nature of Things, even with the best of intentions.

Our Ohio voter Guide for the 2012 Election. The 2l012 Ohio Voter Guide – The Choices Have Never Been Clearer, or more critical.

Evangelization enters the animal kingdom with the first bear prayer. It is fitting that the first bear prayer would be a prayer of thanksgiving.

Is the Internet down in Lithuania? Sudden loss of Lithanian traffic suggests the internet is down in Lithuania. 

The rise of the Femi Nazi Green Beret, and the decline of military victory. The first Femi Nazi Green Beret will be awarded out of fairness, not excellence.

Food Insurance: Is this stuff really any good? All of us conspiracy-theorizing, global-calamity doomsday-preppers need their Food Insurance.

We just had to try to do Robert Irvine's Plastic Wrapped Baby Back Ribs. Put plastic wrapped baby back ribs in the oven? What? Are you nuts?

Thoughts on the first Eucharist, established by the Last Supper.  The first Eucharist was recognized by the Apostles for what it was on that holiest Holy Thursday.

Tea-Party-Candidates-04-18-2014.  The Constitution is not going to be restored to legal preeminence unless we replace leadership incumbents of BOTH PARTIES.

Ecce homo; Behold the man.  Ecce Homo.  Behold the Innocent Lamb, who takes away the sins of the world.

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